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kingpoke09014 years ago(+3)

The writing in this game needs a massive overhaul, mind my language but fucking hell why is it so bland and plain, every sentence is just so awkward and weird, not to mention you don't show us a lot of conversations between characters which makes ever single interactions soooooo god damn boring, and the character don't get me started on the that. This game HAS potential but right now it's just a mess, not a big mess just a mess.

P.S I don't hate the game (entirely) and I don't want to offend anyone. The art and backgrounds are nice , just the writing makes me want to throw phone across the room.

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An Actual Banana4 years ago(+2)

I'm actually having a ton of difficulty understanding this. Could you give a few examples? I just can't remember a time when I thought the same thing. There's been plenty of times where i've thought the opposite instead, never once thinking that a character was some sort of cliche in the way that there's your typical tsundere in anime or your every day Mary Sue in books. There's a certain scenario that I thought of as cliche, but even then, I figured that it was only cliche because there was no other way that scenario could've, or should've, gone. The scenario that I'm think about is from Gil's route, where Walter gets frusterated from practicing at the park. I'll have to play through the routes again to get a better analysis, but I'd love to hear further explanation.

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kingpoke09014 years ago(+1)

I can't really explain it very clearly but here's goes there's a lot of moments where there should be like a conversation to help flesh put the character make them seem more realistic but then it just said "we talked a little and go", that frustrates me because of how much of them there are and I just feels like lazy writing. The characters are interesting why not take time to make the player understand and like them more. 

The dialogue is also every lackluster and definitely needs that extra twerking. 

I don't hate the game I just don't like the writing which makes it hard to like the characters.

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An Actual Banana4 years ago(+1)

I feel like that might be because the routes only have about 5-7 days in them (depending on patreon or not). This is technically Walter's first time meeting all of them, where as most visual novels have their characters as already established friends, or just have a lot of time skipped (Adastra), so they have a lot more groundwork to do for themselves. The only one that isn't a complete stranger is Gil, who Walter had actively avoided for the most part in highschool anyways. What character developement there is are more like hints, not life changing revelations. It's waaay too soon for that anyways. Gotta get invested in the characters before they start talking about their childhood traumas. 

I feel like it also might be dependant on just how into the story you can get. Which depends on personal opinion.

I'm curious as to whether or not you have a specific visual novel in mind when you talk about good dialogue. What would you say is a good example of a game who does dialogue well?

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kingpoke09014 years ago(+2)

A few of the ones I've has some pretty good dialogue, my personal favorites are Tennis Ace and Password. Both do an amazing job of building character and make you genuinely like them flaws and all, especially Tennis Ace.

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An Actual Banana4 years ago

Those were the ones I had in mind too actually. I think it might have to do with how the other characters actively interact with eachother rather than just talking to the protagonist. Allows a lot more options and opportunities to show different sides of characters. Even after Tennis Ace's prologue/Yuuchi route, the dialogue between just Yuuichi and whoever you pick is still pretty good (although I still struggle to play any route other than Shuichi's. Guilt intensifies every time he comes on screen.)

I very much look forward to Password's development. Murder mysteries are my favorite genre and I went three days doing nothing but just playing Password.

I think Repeat also does fairly well, although it IS a bit of a mess. It's not so much consistent as much as it's funny and interesting to me. I love the concept of the wishes and what type of tragic back stories the characters have.

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kingpoke09014 years ago

Shoichi why ya gotta guilt us like this. 

And yes Repeat is a mess but I really do enjoy it only it just gets more updates.

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batzilla4 years ago(+2)

Maybe if you want something that's faster paced, try Extracurricular Activities. 

I think the pacing in this game is done quite well so far, and there's a pretty decent structure in the writing so that the paths and events have consistency. 

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kingpoke09014 years ago

I agree some moments just throws structure and consistency out the window. The pacing is also a mess sometimes it just throws things at you and sometimes it's "what the what is happening?"

I have played EA longgggg before I even try this game out and I don't really thing the pacing is that fast but not slow either maybe somewhere in the middle.

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batzilla4 years ago

I’ve played a couple of other games like Nekojishi and EA pretty heavily so those are my only real frame of reference here:

I think it depends on the characters you go for, the pacing has to vary according to .. how “hot and heavy” they are for you (for lack of a better term) some are more prone to it because of their implied history and character. I won’t spoil anything in case you haven’t played the other routes yet. But certain characters can get extremely high ratings with you by the end of the 6th day while some others, not as much given their personality.   And yes, this is totally my take on the game. I haven’t interviewed Andy or anything lol. 

All things considered I really think Andy is doing a solid job with the structure/direction/plot with these characters. I think it also helps he has an editor(s?) Because not to throw shade but there are some serious writing gaps in the other games I’ve played... and I wish I could help them out.

Also I’m totally open to hear any recommendations you’d have for something with more consistency/pacing and or structure. I need new games to play at work haha!

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kingpoke09014 years ago

Tennis Ace definitely Tennis Ace loveable characters, great writing and I can gush about the game for hours if I can. Also Password is great too if you want to check it out.

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batzilla4 years ago

thanks for the recommendations. totally checking them out.

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