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This was maybe a little too subtle and in need of adjustment on my end.

Consider things from Roswell's perspective. He's only seen this guy who's been toxic lingering around someone he cares about. He's not seen anything to warrant that Tyson has changed, just the insistence from Dave that he has. For him, this is troubling because after the month is up, he's scared that he's leaving his friend with someone abusive and that has some level of emotional compromise over.

But separate to that, Dave's not giving Roswell a fair shot of it. He invited Tyson without considering the trauma of what Tyson did to them as kids. Dave also didn't acknowledge that what what Tyson did was wrong, just that he was different and painted Roswell as the villain for not letting it go. As far as friends go, Dave was very much in the wrong for dismissing Roswell's feelings even if they were not the greatest. I feel like Roswell's reasoning here is sound, if still mired by emotional baggage he hasn't let go, and he's justified in wanting Dave to apologize.

Imagine your friend broke up with their boyfriend and you brought said boyfriend to a party as a friend. If the breakup was messy as all hell, is that really all that appropriate?

cerberus2103 years ago (3 edits)

Roswell hasn’t noticed a change-

But Tyson had noticeably changed as Orlando who went through the same thing as Roswell admits that he noticed changes in Tyson and was willing to give him a chance. If Roswell hasn’t noticed it even though Orlando did and all the others even say he’s ‘’being good’’, then that just shows that Roswell is refusing to acknowledge any changes or even accept that he can change. (rather shitty behaviour)

Dave invited Tyson without asking-

The point was already dealt with when Tyson called him out for it and you can apologise. If Roswell still refuses to accept that, it is his choice that he will not forgive his ‘’best friend’’ and would rather hold a petty grudge against him despite knowing Dave honestly never meant any harm. (rather shitty attitude and petty behaviour)

Dave doesn’t acknowledge that what Tyson did was wrong-

While not outright saying ‘Tyson was bad’ while explaining to Roswell why Tyson did what he did, he did indirectly acknowledge Tyson did bad stuff but did it to survive because if he didn’t he would starve to death. Which Roswell says survival ‘’isn’t an excuse’’. (of course survival isn’t an excuse you should just accept you are going to starve to death and lay down and die )

Imagine your friend broke up with their boyfriend and you brought said boyfriend to a party as a friend. If the breakup was messy as all hell-

Have actually been in a similar situation where both of them was part of our friend group. Long story short after she caused a scene for about 2-3 days, she realised it changed nothing. Her causing a scene about it only harmed everyone around her, didn’t change the situation she was in and did nothing but make her feel better. Since no one was forcing them to interact with each other or just start making out with each other, she realised she could ignore his very existence rather than swing her emotional hang-ups around like a weapon damaging everyone around her.

Self-awareness and self-reflection are hell of a thing.

Did it this way because i want to try make the points clear that this isn't from a 'I <3 TYSON' view point. Roswells just genuinly seems to act like he thinks about all his options in a situation and then chooses to do the most shitty one. As i said in a patreon post i don't get Roswells motives for things. Not his 'get even' or just to be remembered and all thoes kind of things it's more his core motives.

Like when he first meets dave and his first instinct is to immediately manipulate him to get what he wants. No hesitation, no getting to know him just instant manipulation.

And Dave looks back on that fondly. WHY?

AH yes that time i was manipulated by him, good times, such fond memories of being used.

(how many times will i edit this? currently 5 and still sure i've fked somthing up)

Grizz3 years ago(+1)

This circles back around to where I may have been too subtle. Roswell is meant to be in the right, but the interplay between a traumatised Dave using Tyson as a crutch along with Roswell's trauma of what still lingers from when they were kids is rough to balance. Emotional scarring goes deep basically.

And when they first met? You mean when they were like 4? :'D

cerberus2103 years ago (1 edit)

the fact they were 4 and still to this day he's still randomly manipulating people just makes it look like a core character trait which is why i don't understand it. There doesn't seem to be any reason or motive for him to just manipulate everyone randomly but he does.

also i never got dave using tyson as a crutch. More he just follows whatever tyson is doing like a little brother does to a big brother even hoss says dave only looks at tyson with adoration. Dave seems more like a leaf in the wind rather than 'I NEEED him or i'll fall apart' but then again loosing a brother or anyone close can cause you to fall apart

Grizz3 years ago(+1)

I'll just add it to my growing list of things to address for the big edit come the end.

cerberus2103 years ago (2 edits) (+1)

Fair enough but if you want Roswell to be more justified i would suggest for him to talk about not being ok with Dave inviting Tyson earlier when it was relevant.

Right now everyone talks about how they feel about Daves action then about 2 weeks later Roswell decides to finally give his opinon right after talking about very heavy stuff which already has Dave realing trying to get to grips with it.

It just looks more planned and opportunistic the way it is now. Why would Roswell wait so long after it was already brought up unless he was hoping to be able to use it later as amunition. If it was to wait till they could talk alone they've had like 2 weeks and plenty of opportunities to talk in private. If Roswell didn't care at the time to bring it up why does he care now.

Grizz3 years ago(+1)

I think the main rationale I had was specifically waiting until after Dave showed any signs of not being emotionally shut down re:David's death which is why this is happening post day 14 but I'll admit it's one of the weaker parts to his arc and in need of a fix.

BearScribbles3 years ago (2 edits)

Contrary to the rest of the fan-base, I for one am Pro-Roswell, and Anti-Tyson (At least for the earlier half of the month).

As interesting as Tyson is becoming as a character if this was real life and the choice was to hang out with someone who's a bit of a shit stirrer vs someone who is aggressively confrontational, the Tysons would have me distancing myself from the friend group.

BearScribbles3 years ago

Roswell did try to give Tyson a chance. Second or third day, he tries to have a polite conversation with him and says something mildly offensive which makes Tyson fly off the handle.

Everyone deserves a second chance, but they have to actually be willing to own up to their mistakes. Tyson specifically makes a point of not apologizing for bullying them and refuses to until he's essentially forced into it. I get that he did what he had to to survive, but that doesn't stop him from acknowledging that he hurt people and trying to make amends with them. Not apologizing is 100% shitty behavior.

It seems Tyson's arc is about becoming a better person but for the first half of the month he was absolutely not there yet and I'd say Roswell's attitude towards him is justified 80% of the time.

cerberus2103 years ago (1 edit)

That wrong, Roswell admits to you that he was trying to annoy tyson from the start and thats why he was repeatedly calling tyson just a happy puppy. He then pretends that he did nothing wrong and just called him a canine (shown on day 8 on any route pretty sure).

Also have you gone through Roswells route because you seemed to have missed the times Tyson says he'll try to get on with the others and tries such as after Dave saves Roswell, Tyson tries to chear him up by making waffles and trying to stop them worrying. Simply saying he didn't say sorry so everything thing he does and tries to do can be compleatly ignored and thats fine I can't agree with. Words are cheep and actions speak louder, an empty sorry after the fact it worthless.

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