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Oh no of course not! I never meant to say that RNG somehow makes bugs and balance flaws okay. This topic was about RNG and that's why I was talking about that.

If you had looked around this itchio page a little and its comments section, you might have noticed that I've said numerous times that bugs and balance are being worked on as we speak. I don't want to give a picture that these things are being neglected, because that certainly isn't the case. I'm working 8 hours/day with this game still even after its release.

Mask5 years ago

Didn't you see my comment? Sometimes, I don't get a notification when someone replies to me, so it may've happened to you. I asked you why updates are hard to make. There are people playing the game, right now, on youtube, showcasing horrible game-breaking bugs. So, I asked you why it is that updates are "so cumbersome," as you called them. Not all changes would be save-game compatible, sure, but an amount of the bug fixing should be, and it'd be easy to test for that. From what I know of RPG Maker MV and itch, I can't see how it would be cumbersome.

It's no good releasing the game in an unfinished state, then saying you're working hard to finish it after releasing it. People are very sick of early-access games these days, and Steam reviews tend to be cynical. A lot of developers promise to finish/fix their games, and never get around to it, so it will read as BS to the Steam community. Since you said you don't know anything about Steam ("I didn't know Steam was such a big deal"), I figured I should tell you.

To repeat myself, bug fixes should be launched as soon as possible, both so that people get a good impression of the game and its development, and so that you can see if new bugs are introduced. It also lets you turn your attention to other bugs that crop up.

orange~5 years ago (2 edits)

Oh right, I actually answered to your comment too when I replied to the parent post, that's why you probably didn't get a notification.

I do think making updates is a bit clumsy on itchio and gamejolt because people have to visit the site every time to download them separately. There is no way to let people know of these possible updates, unless they follow the game on some platform. The good news are that Steam makes auto-updates possible. So I'm happy to tell that in future even smaller updates are a lot more likely because of the ease in both making the update and distributing it to the player base. yay!

No need to repeat yourself. We have had these same discussions many times already and it's pretty clear we just disagree on this matter. No biggie.

...Actually, no, we don't disagree. Because I agree that bugs and balance need fixing, but I just don't see the doom and gloom scenario.

Mask5 years ago(-1)

I mean... you didn't even know Steam was a big deal. I figure you should trust the people with experience with Steam, instead of guessing how it might go. That's not doom and gloom versus naked positivity, this is experience versus dreaming.

I think people do check the Itch.io pages. You can even notify everyone who bought your game with the analytics options, so as to tell them about major updates/patches. And if they complain about bugs, when there is a patch you released on the main game page... then their complaints are truly hollow, and will ring so to others.

If you patched the game, fixed some bugs, and the balance of stuff like high miss rate and enemies that hit you with the parts you just destroyed, the major youtubers of the game would all be complimenting you for it, for responding to their feedback. They'd give a positive impression about the game and its development. They are dedicated people who keep track of updates and are part of the community, so they would notice updates and patches. As it is, we can only guess at how many people were turned off a purchase because of bugs in the let's plays.

By the time the update comes out, most of the LPers will have finished F&H. We don't even know what viewership the extra area you're adding will get compared to the main campaign. People like endings, so after Ending A gets posted on youtube, it's likely viewership will start to decline.

I think you shouldn't worry so much about little things like, "it's awkward to download a patch off the game page," and worry about the big ones like, "thousands of people are witnessing bugs in my game." A poor presentation on Steam is a big one, too; whereas releasing a couple of weeks later would be a small one.

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