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No Time To Play5 years ago (1 edit)

We try to let people express themselves here. But if your expression involves demeaning other people, we might have a problem. Politics aside, those other people want to enjoy Itch without being bullied or harassed. If they complain about someone's games or posts, sooner or later we're going to take action.

Edit: also keep in mind that jam organizers and game creators manage their own communities as they see fit. If you see a jam banning right wing politics in the rules, that's their own position and not an official stance from Itch.

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ErrArachnica5 years ago(+5)

searching "nazis" brings up only results about punching nazis, which goes beyond demeaning, into implicit violence when put together with the domestic terrorism of antifa, and the general violence-baiting of the left

"without being bullied or harassed." should games about punching nazis be removed for bullying and harrasing nazis?

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DaedalusMachina5 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

Nazis are not people.  They are lower than cockroaches.  They are the punching bags of society and rightly deserve every bit of scorn, spew, and spite thrown in their fucking faces.

That said, if any protected groups get discriminated against, throw a report and the mods will take care of things.

If you really need to know a protected status: age, race, gender, religion, skin color, orientation, etc etc...

EDIT:  Nazis advocate for the violent overthrow of govt and therefore get branded as 'terrorists' so yeah they have no human rights.  :P

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ErrArachnica5 years ago(+4)

okay, let me see if i'm reading this right.

you cannot:

-bully

-harass

-intimidate

groups of people, UNLESS they "upset people", in which case, you can freely

-bully

-harass

-intimidate

-PUNCH
them, also they'll get banned despite being the victim under the rules already set out. am i reading this correctly?

given that nazis are white, and you just cited race, shouldnt you be banned just now for calling a racial group, and i quote

"lower than cockroaches.  They are the punching bags of society and rightly deserve every bit of scorn, spew, and spite thrown in their fucking faces."

this statement seems heavily racist against white people.

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DaedalusMachina5 years ago(+1)

You don't know me very well, do ya?
Not taking your bait, princess.

Cheers.

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ErrArachnica5 years ago (2 edits) (+5)

i'm being the diplomatic one here, and you just said an entire group of people deserved to be punched in the face.

should i take this to mean that itch.io DOES NOT allow right wing politics, but will let left-wing politics punch their opponents in the open?

this news is greatly concerning to me. you need to get help so you're not so violent.

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No Time To Play5 years ago

Before this degenerates into a giant argument, let me point out that you're expressing worries about limitations to free speech on Itch.io, only to turn around and complain about games with a pro-abortion or anti-fascist message. For what it's worth, Itch.io is based in the US, where free speech is held in high regard; that includes those games you're not comfortable with. In most other countries, it's Nazi ideologies that are banned as inherently violent. Rest assured that here you have more freedom to express yourself that you would elsewhere. That freedom however ends where the rights of other people begin. And there's a report link on every game and post.

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ErrArachnica5 years ago(+3)

i'm hoping that argument doesn't happen.

there's a rising portion of game developers from the right wing thats emerged purely because they all got kicked out for wrongthink, and dont like how the industry no longer speaks to them. i'm not gonna be the last person showing up to ask this question. believe you me, you're gonna get some genuine trolls.

i'm making this thread for people on the right to test the waters public-acceptance-wise. like i said, "diplomatic thread", i'm holding back a lot here in the hopes of being the reasonable one.

so far what i've learned is an antifa type can punch me in the face freely, whenever they think i'm a "nazi". i hope you can understand why me and many others would be concerned about this fact.

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No Time To Play5 years ago(+1)

So you don't have a problem with Nazi ideology, which as I pointed out is banned in most countries for being inherently violent, but you have a problem with DaedalusMachina here expressing their own personal leanings.

Let me further point out that holding specific ideologies is a choice. Skin color, sexual orientation, disabilities, or other things that set people apart... those aren't choices. That's why the latter are always protected, while the former may not be.

You have a right to publish games here that support certain ideologies. And other people have a right to have strong opinions about them.

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ErrArachnica5 years ago

"Let me further point out that holding specific ideologies is a choice. Skin color, sexual orientation, disabilities, or other things that set people apart... those aren't choices. That's why the latter are always protected, while the former may not be."

if a white person is called a nazi just for their skin color, do they get the same racial protection as a black person?

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No Time To Play5 years ago

I'd rather no answer hypothetical questions like that. Are you aware of a specific situation here? Note that if someone is called a Nazi for something they said, their skin color isn't relevant to the conversation. Doubly so as we can't see each other's skin color here, so unless two people know each other from elsewhere, there's no way for that to become a factor.

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ErrArachnica5 years ago(+1)

important question: what definition of "nazi" are we working under here?

there's a very good chance we're  working on two  separate definitions right now, and things will probably go to shit if we're arguing while completely misunderstanding what the other person thinks the qualifier entails

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No Time To Play5 years ago

You might want to answer that question first, since you brought up the word before I did. That said:

  1. There's a broadly accepted definition of the term. I refuse to rules-lawyer and look up exact wording in dictionaries.
  2. Speaking of rules-lawyering, we can't and won't make detailed rules for every little thing that may or may not be acceptable on Itch. Broad guidelines rooted in common decency suffice to most people in most situations.
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ErrArachnica5 years ago(+2)

"common decency" doesn't exist anymore, dude. its a culture war. i think instead i'll just email support asking for your freedom of speech policies in writing.

i've just had someone imply i'm "lower then a cockroach", that i'm a "punching bag of society", and "rightly deserve every bit of scorn, spew, and spite thrown in their fucking faces."

i'm suddenly worried now that someone from this website will make the decision that i qualify as a "nazi", and that they will doxx me, and punch me for this. antifa is known to do this. this is a real concern.

i'm not okay with that. it feels like anything remotely right-wing can have "nazi" applied to it, to make you and the mod team promptly delete it.

please do get in contact here if you can officially mark out what a nazi is though. until then, i do not have faith in you and this website fairly enforcing rules. i don't even have faith in this website anymore, despite putting in effort over months to build a presence here.

this is what i get for being diplomatic. apparently the answer is "no".

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