Post by mehoyminoy in findingBuddies comments

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you're a professional? wouldn't it be more professional to offer services in disclosed messages as opposed to the comment section of a game that has not expressed an interest in hiring editors? is it also professional to feel the need to prove how professional you are to someone who doesn't know you nor will they ever be interested in your 'services'?

you're also the first and only person in the comment section (in English) to say something about the spelling while also selling your 'services'. you're the only person (so far) to have an issue with the spelling so yes, it doesn't really matter.

this game is free and he has yet to express an interest in monetizing the game, there is no 'voting with wallets' going on.

on an unrelated note, it's interesting how copy and paste FFXIV players are in regard to their thought process.

Purrfectly Purrverted1 year ago (17 edits) (+1)

I'll answer each question/point in order;
1. Yes.

2. Not when the primary purpose is as an honest review-please learn to discern the primary purpose from tertiary incentives. Whether the dev picks a pro or a well meaning volunteer is largely irrelevant to me as long as the quality of the work improves going forward.

3. Again, I suggest working on your ability to discern the primary purpose of a post; in that case, returning your acidity in kind. To be clear, you have been a stunningly rude example of Dunning-Kruger in action, and as you aren't a client/potential client, I have no incentives to return rudeness with politeness. Since I'm sure you couldn't tell, this paragraph has been my verbose way of saying 'go fuck yourself'.

4. Your entire second paragraph is irrelevant and pointless. Just because they didn't take the time to post doesn't mean that there weren't people who saw that issue and were immediately uninterested in the project as a whole. Since I need to spell it out, this typically results in not even sticking around long enough to see the sex scene, let alone posting for your benefit.

5. Third paragraph; Did you somehow miss the donation prompt that is the biggest draw for posting developing projects on this site??? Simply posting on this site is an attempt to monetize. The pick your own price model can even help devs figure out an ideal price point in action. Can't believe I had to explain this.

6. I'd love to say there was something interesting about your thought process, but alas.

mehoyminoy1 year ago (4 edits) (-2)

1. keep it professional, I presume this is your main itch.io account?

2. the only criticism towards your review was you shilling out your services, after being the only person who mentioned it and while telling them how poor the english in their game is. there is nothing wrong with critiquing in a review(that's why they are there after all) but when you tried selling services to a problem you were the only person who brought up.

3. your reaction is proof that what I have has merit and obviously damages some form of ego you possess with your first comment. you are referencing dunning-kruger incorrectly, never have I claimed to be an editor, a better editor or english speaker than you. simply stating how malicious your first comment was which you cannot seem to fathom. perhaps if I were critiquing your editing, and I was an editor with worse english, that'd be a better usage of the term?

4. this whole paragraph is irrelevant based on assumptions which you cannot prove.

5. donation prompt is different from charging up-front for a game. each update (from what we know) will be posted here for free. donations are common place for nearly every single creation on the internet so you could technically call every site solely about monetization? claiming that simply posting on this site is monetizing a game could be compared to posting on twitter and expecting companies to reach out and pay you to post their product to your page for payment. it makes no sense and you seem to be slightly reaching for that. can't believe I had to explain this.

6. still a narrow-minded and very egotistical display of someone having their sales tactics brought up, which is what this was all about if you haven't forgotten. you're bringing in outside factors to try to defend something that has no defense. you, still, are the only person to bring up their english (as you try to claim there were many non-existent people quitting the game solely because of the english).

you're stuck on non-factor pieces that don't fit what the original statement I made was on. if you can't see how critiquing a game and then selling your services to fix said critique while being the first and only person to comment on it can be seen as manipulative writing, I don't think you'll ever understand.

as with your 'go fuck yourself' proves my point how hostile you've become about something that shouldn't really matter for a successful editor like yourself, right?

you will now continue to reply with a defense or an even more hostile statement about something irrelevant.

Purrfectly Purrverted1 year ago (17 edits) (+1)

1. No. Why should I? As I mentioned before, there is no value in doing so. You are not a client. You even took the time to specify you never would be. My status as a professional and my interactions with a random bystander are unrelated. To be very blunt, I don't make my living via this site; thus my conduct with you doesn't matter. Perhaps more importantly, you're a random jackass on the internet who picks fights with strangers over trivial bullshit; even if I made my living entirely on this site, that still wouldn't be excuse enough to extend false courtesy to you.

2. No. Again, you focused in on the wrong part. The important part was telling them to find someone that was a native speaker to aid them with the issue. Volunteering myself was done primarily as a courtesy. You seem to think that I would charge them a great deal, but to be frank, there isn't any money to be made in editing these sorts of projects and I perform such jobs, again, as a courtesy.

Typically, I make $40 an hour for my time. A VN edited to completion is typically a job done for never more than $100 total, and usually less than that, no matter how long it takes. Now, since you don't seem to be aware, the exchange of money is not a benefit to me, but to my employer; it means that if I do a poor job, they have a means to hold me accountable, so they can be secure that I will do a full, complete, and high quality job. To me it may be pocket change, but to them it is the foundation of a legally binding contract that makes me liable should I somehow cost them profits with my work. For your edification, THAT is what it means to be a professional.

3. No, it was not referenced incorrectly. Rather, you misunderstood what I was accusing you of over-inflated ego regarding. Specifically, you seem to have taken it upon yourself that you know the 'correct' means to critique, the 'professional' way to behave, and that you know what matters to the world at large when it comes to making a VN. Given that unlike myself, you don't seem to have ever actually worked on one, that last point seems especially questionable. You also seem to be unable to accurately gauge your own behavior, and don't seem to realize when your wording is offensive, but rather to insist all the more doggedly on how pristine your chapel is. Despite that, you seem to believe you understand the intent behind my words, and ascribe them motives based on your erroneous interpretations.

Secondly, there's no need to damage ego; you're rude, thus I'm rude. I'm a very simple man at heart, and prefer easily understood tit-for-tat relations.

4. Wrong. Data point of 1, but I do this myself from time to time. Despite your cries regarding my supposed ego, I do not view myself as unique, therefore... Actually, even if I did view myself as unique, it would still be valid since that still represents lost profits.

5. Wrong. If you want to reply, try not using an obvious apples to oranges comparison. Frankly, what you said is so fallacious, it would easily double my response length to go over it... and frankly, I don't feel like it. Google can help you find the list online, and even better, unlike myself, search engines don't care about things like wasting time.

6. Wrong. Allow me to quote you directly, "this whole paragraph is irrelevant based on assumptions which you cannot prove." Even better, unlike when you used the line, it's actually true in this case.

I don't think I'll respond to you again, so go ahead with your inevitable wrongheaded, fallacious and egotistical response. For better or worse, I do happen to value my time, and I don't intend to give you any more of it until you pay me my going rate. Unlike for M/M devs, I won't be giving you any discounts though.