there's times when retaliation damage also doesn't seem to take effect, like sure i see the -number pop up, but it doesn't carry out, if anything it's like the hp remained the same, because after an actual turn attack hurts the enemy that was supposed to be hurt by thorns, the previous damage gets removed and acts like nothing happened. This seems to be related to the distillation item because whenever i put spikes on my infected heretic thorn damage seems fine, but with distillation the glitch happens. Also another glitch with the heretic assassin, with a distillation, his ability attacks also do fake damage.