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So a bug? the effect of the loyalty trainings have ½ effect i this save the same goes for luxury room -1,5 not the normal -3 it is the same for handcuffs and collars ½  effect a slave there has  obedience drain 1,5 losses 1,5 obedience every  turn shown like this from 100 to 98 to 97 to 95 to 94

I think i found out the reason just made a test now the effect of loyalty trainings and items there has obedience drain -x has ½ effect only on the slaves/peons gotten before I choose a guild to join so if a save is played where you like to pay off the loan before choose a guild to join you end up with a lot there has ½ obedience drain -x effect.