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i couldn't get through that, i had to skip it, but i didn't get to the room where the knife is

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im sure all you have to do is to go thru the same room again to get the knife? when the scene ends youll need to go inside the painting lady room again and get the black object 

OR youre talking about the KNIFE itself not the black object, to get the knife you have to interact with the black object and ask sai to cut himself to get the knife

I’ll try that, I still have that previous save file

You don't have to ask Sai to cut himself. You can also choose to have Lacie cut herself instead.

well cutting yourself is also optional but youll lose your health points from 3 to 2, although spider will give you another rainbow potion anyway, it takes less time i guess?

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Really? I had no idea that it takes health away! Well, thanks for sharing this information.