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I'm quite calm. Quite shocked at the sheer vitriol directed at me, bewildered that so many AI defenders act so unhinged in response to facts they don't know about their toy. I can be quite blunt in my wording, but I wouldn't call that "yelling."

I want to thank you. Your comment was what pushed me from "indecisive" to "giving this game a try." <3

https://juliabausenhardt.com/how-ai-is-stealing-your-art/

https://www.theeagleonline.com/article/2024/01/op-ed-ai-art-is-art-theft-and-sho...

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/is-ai-art-stealing-from-artist...

https://www.pcgamer.com/persona-voice-actress-driven-off-twitter-after-condemnin...

https://juliabausenhardt.com/how-ai-is-stealing-your-art/

https://www.theeagleonline.com/article/2024/01/op-ed-ai-art-is-art-theft-and-sho...

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/is-ai-art-stealing-from-artist...

https://www.pcgamer.com/persona-voice-actress-driven-off-twitter-after-condemnin...

https://juliabausenhardt.com/how-ai-is-stealing-your-art/

https://www.theeagleonline.com/article/2024/01/op-ed-ai-art-is-art-theft-and-sho...

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/is-ai-art-stealing-from-artist...

https://www.pcgamer.com/persona-voice-actress-driven-off-twitter-after-condemnin...

Hey, it's okay! Still a fun game. You made the game you wanted to make, and I respect that. :)

The fact you think that it costs tens of thousands of dollars to commission artists and that theft from independent creatives is okay seem to indicate to me that you're extremely sheltered and morally deviant. Like you obviously are so sheltered that you never even bothered googling how much an artist on DeviantART charges for a commission. Do the police know you think it's okay to shoplift and commit larceny?

Awww, I can't play as a girl in this one either? Yuri would've been a great option for the bi girls like me and the dudes into girl-on-girl. :(

Damn, it sucks that I can't play as a girl. Don't get me wrong, I like yaoi as much as the next otaku. It's just it would've added a lot had I been able to play as my own gender against a boy in this.

Is there any relation to the "Luna vs." series of exhibitionism stories on Literotica? Or is it just a coincidence?

When will the art be completed? it's difficult to play right now due to the inconsistent visual styles and the uncanny valley of machine-generated images...

Trans rights are human rights. <3

Wow. AI techbros are all terrible people. This proves that.

I have. They're strangely radio silent about it. It makes me wonder, because an innocent man doesn't withhold evidence that would exonerate him. Silence rings loudest.

But why making paying for stolen goods an option?

I also see that, despite agreeing with me on AI, your fanboy SK8ER69 is claiming I "manipulated you" and that I'm a "prick."

This is what I meant. You attracted such people to you with your choice to use souless art theft that overloads power stations. It's already happening and frankly considering all he warnings you had and how you stood by and let them do these things to me, again whileI appreciate your change of mind and thank you for speaking up, my pain at having paid for speaking up outweighs my sympathy for these same people who you let attack me now attacking you when you drew them to your shadow in the first place...

That sounds cruel, yes... but I can't help it. I've grown tired of trying to defend myself against these AI techbros that you brought here... so very tired... No good deed ever goes unpunished, not when there are techbros eager to silence people who could prevent them from being free of accountability...

You have an unusual definition of "love" considering the attacks I had to endure simply for speaking up against machine-learning-algorith procedurally generated art theft that overloads electrical power grids with all the power required to run it for what amounts to soulless uncanny valley art theft from people okay with stealing from starving artists.

As I said in the other comment, I appreciate your change of mind on "AI." But you now have a toxic fanbase of techbros who will turn on you the second they think you're not going to provide them with justification for their AI white knighting. I only hope it doesn't bite you like it did me when I simply tried to speak up.

Thank you, I appreciate that information. Also, I apologize if I come across a bit blunt in this reply.

Normally I am far more polite and friendly with people since I'm generally a cheerful and optimistic person who has been harmed by so many people that I hate harming others since I don't want to make them feel like I once did.

But every time I see an alert for Flarea Gain, up until this one, it has always been yet another AI techbro trying to do one of the following:
-White knight procedurally-generated art theft with the same sales pitches that techbros used for crypto and NFT before that NFT bubble burst.
-Claim that the main issues with procedurally-generated art theft algorithms don't exist because they can't be bothered to use Google or talk to actual starving artists that are having their work stolen and being replaced by corporations with algorithms trained on the art they made without their permission. No doubt if I told them that electrical power grids are reporting huge strain under the sheer amount of electricitical power these algorithm-based procedurally generators require, they would make up some excuse or claim all the articles are false as well, even though this is the same problem that blockchain, cryptocurrency, and NFTs have and they attract the same techbros looking for get-rich-quick schemes.
-Make weird, bizarre false equivalency allegories for why "no, the millions of pieces of art used to train each algorithm without the permission of the original artists who own the art ISN'T art theft because of this" showing that they have no idea how anything in the world actually works or are expressing bizarre "if I can see it in public, it officially belongs to everyone including me" views akin to the meme version of communism (and funny enough, AI algorithms HAVE attracted hardcore stans who legitimately identify as communists for this very reason).
-Express their genuine contempt for hardworking artists because they see it as "taking power" from creatives who already have no power because corporations view creative roles as some of the lest valuable and expendable roles in any industry and so artists of any kind are frequently paid very little compared to other jobs in an industry or corporation.
-Simply sling petty and immature insults, usually by saying this isn't important to talk about for some reason that they won't share but somehow not talking about it is so important to them they want to silence others who talk about it, or just whatever degrading thing they can think of that is typically related to disabilities or various minorities groups such as black people or LGBT people.

The fact that AI algorithm content draws these horrid people like shit draws flies makes me question why you would want to associate with so many of such people in the first place, making content that would draw these peopel who hate artists, insult and try to forcibly silence people who simply see the issue with it, express clear bigoted views and will assume anyone they don't like falls under whatever minority they use as synonymous with playground namecalling, and are too stupid to understand any criticism of A.I. yet gullible enough to believe any poorly-written defense of A.I.

All these people in your comments, hurling insults, non-logic, and general horridness at anyone who simply sees the issue with AI, drawn to your work for having used and posted AI stuff, and you have allowed them to do so in your comments for so long. I appreciate your change of heart, and while I thank you for it, I'm afraid I have spent so long defending myself from hostile attacks by your own fans simply for criticizing algorithm-based art theft that I hesitant to not be suspicious of you still. I don't want to be, but the sheer amount of horrid people in your own fanbase attacking me for saying something you now agree with and being allowed to do so means my feelings of pain cannot be overcome by any desire I have to truly see you in a completely positive light from your change of mind.

I expressed criticism for machine-learning algorithm procedurally-generated images, trained from the theft of art that didn't belong to nor the person training the algorith nor did it have any permission to be used. In respons, I was relentlessly bombarded with abuse from your own fans who were drawn to the project you made because of the power-hogging method you used to make it via art that didn't belong to you. I tried to do something good with my life, and I paid for it at the hands of your fans.

If your fans hate that people stand up for what's right, hate that people don't remain bystanders, hate that horrid exploitation of the vulnerable is not allowed to happen without consequences or accountability, and are willing to dogpile such people to silence them so that they can get away with their hatred of artists and the environment?

Then I hope you're happy with the kind of fans you've attracted, as they likely won't be happy with your change of mind on the overloaded electrical grids powering their algorithmic image-generators that they are willing to go to war to white knight.

I appreciate you for your change of mind, thank you for speaking up about it... but the fact you stood by and let your fans abuse others for saying what you now agree with, simply because they wanted to silence the people who cared about the people being exploited by what they are defending, means I'm afraid I can't extend positive sentiments to you beyond that gratitude and appreciation, as my gratitude and appreciation do not heal the punishment I was forced to face for simply speaking up in an attempt to do some good in the world, however small it was in whatever little ways I could.

But it's still here for sale and download.

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Second, you made a sockpuppet account purely to harass someone who the dev was chill with.

Perhaps you should look in a mirror before you try things like this.

Especially when you resort to petty insults and defense of unethical art theft scams that you claim (without evidence) to have gotten a masters in so you could replace artists and destroy the environment.

I question your intellectual honesty and suspect you of bad actor status when you claim to be such an expert in AI tech but show ignorance of basic information about its use of art theft, as this implies that you don't know how machine-learning algorithms work despite all your time at college studying them.

https://juliabausenhardt.com/how-ai-is-stealing-your-art/

https://medium.com/graphic-language/my-case-against-ai-ad6489e124f2

https://www.tumblr.com/secretmellowblog/702954640040443904/some-really-great-thr...

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An AI techbro is off the site?

I have tons of artist friends and they all hate AI and don't want their art stolen. The fact people are trying to defend art theft scams and techbro stuff says way too much.

You don't seem to understand what theft is. The idea that you believe "it's the village bicycle" somehow means stolen goods are okay then this is really proving that AI techbros are very gullible to fall for such scams and too stupid to understand they have been conned by the same people behind NFTs. Pity.

You also are willingly ignorant in pretending you don't know that procedurally generation doesn't create things from scratch. They feed the machine-learning algorithm the art thato thers have made without their permission, credit, or payment. This is VERY easy to do a simple Google search so I now suspect you're simply trolling me, as you would have to be to come up with such blatant lies about how machine-learning algorithms work.

Your lies and ignorance are not superior to others' knowledge.
https://juliabausenhardt.com/how-ai-is-stealing-your-art/

Axo, why do you look at people knowingly enjoying stolen goods and say "They're not hurting anyone" while ignoring all the thievery victims protesting the thievery? You say I'm "entitled" but you don't seem to know what that word is and have a biased application of it. I've yet to meet an AI techbro who was a decent human being.

Sadly, no, I don't know of any games with it. And I've looked. :(

Way too often if a creator doesn't insult me for asking about creative decisions or technical limitations regarding his game project, his fanboys do. So this was a pleasantly positive experience. <3

I'm a woman so I don't expect you to know what a "Keyboad Warrior" is. But the fact you don't know I'm a woman probably explains your vitriol and desire to white knight theft and environmental terrorism.

How strange. You say "you paid," but paid who? Knowingly paying a thief for their stolen goods doesn't make it legal, bro. If you think that, then you're probably gonna have a rough time in life.

Hey, thank you again for being so magnanimous and kind in these comments. I've had some bad experiences of devs and/or their fanboys attacking me for sharing my thoughts a lot on this site lately. So, thank you so much for giving me a positive, heartwarming experience. <3

Oh, and sorry for the walls of text. I'm just pretty passionate about character writing so when I caught a whiff of a potential kindred spirit I got a bit chatty. :(

It's also a matter of disability accomodation. I'm not visually oriented, so having characters who look distinctly different from each other helps that.

Dude, futaxmale content is so rare! Though is it weird I prefer Mdom/futasub over futadom/Msub?

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, and I apologize for that. But yes, I truly did think this through before saying it. I wasn't saying it purely to try and cause harm. It was my genuine reaction to reading your comic here.

The uncanny valley of the bot-stolen artwork made the art unenjoyable to me despite my BE fetish. The writing also couldn't make up for the uncanny valley and guilt of being an accessory to eco-terrorism and art theft because it was so full of typos and poor grammar. Those are my genuine thoughts after giving your comic a fair shot and doing my best to come at it in good faith.

I've found writing that was good enough that I could enjoy the story even if I couldn't enjoy the art, but I couldn't apply that exception here. I'm sorry that I couldn't enjoy your comic despite trying my best.

But even if you're not charging for it, I have to question why that makes theft okay. If I steal someone's lawn ornament and gift it to someone else, I still stole it. None of the artists that had their art stolen to feed into the machine-learning algorith to procedurally generate the images were paid, credited, or asked for permission to have their art used and the anti-environmentalist destruction that the image generator uses doesn't seem worth it.

I also have to question why someone eager to improve as a writer, artist, and game developer would willingly want to be associated with data hacking, uncanny valley, art theft, "exaggerated cartoon communist meme" thinking where everything belongs to everyone, con artist tech bros who jumped to "AI images" as the "the future" after the NFT bubble birst, eco-terrorism almost on the level of cryptomining, con marks who are too stupid to understand how AI images work via art theft, the attempt from corporations to replace artists so they don't have to pay them, and wanting to side against the many, many, many starving artists who worked hard for years to gain their skills only to have their work stolen by machine-learning algorithms to replace them with procedural generation. It just seems incredibly self-contradictory to me that you would want to improve as an artist while supporting the replacement of artists using machines stealing their work. AI images have no soul. I may not be an artist, but I'm a writer and I can never see the appeal in procedurally-generated stories like ChatGPT when they lack any soul or heart and steal from writers such as myself.

Hm, I'm not sure what you're supposed to accomplish with this comment. Is your self-worth wrapped up in trying to make others upset using ineffectual playground tactics? Or do you not get a lot of positive attention so you lash out at strangers online so you can feel less alone?

Hey, that's awesome! Sorry that I misjudged so hard by the screenshots. That's a really good sentiment to have! Every time I do some people-watching, what I find most beautiful about humans is how humans aren't monoliths. The sheer diversity in human bodies is the spice in that beauty. Admittedly, when I write small cast stories I tend to stick to the body types I find most appealing to my aesthetic tastes. But when I go for larger casts in stories, I try to make sure there's plenty different heights, body types, and breast sizes for different tastes in my readers. If my silly little hobby can make others happy, that's a bonus to me, and going for body types that I aren't my preference challenges me to improve my writing.

So point is, I feel ya. c:

Hey, that'd be fun! Obviously I don't expect you to have a token BBW since I know from experience that that can be hard to do in 3D VN modeling in a way that hits a mix of realistic and appealing to more than just chubby chasers. It's also difficult to model female characters who are petite, small-breasted, and short without looking like children (and I say this as an IRL legal loli myself). But hey, anime like Uzaki-chan, Dragon Maid, goblin girls, and Mythic Manor show there's a definite market for shortstacks and MILF-type bodies. :3

Oh, but if the inspiration ever struck you and you had the idea to include a full-figured girl, I personally think Nikuko from "Please Tell Me Galko-chan" is a great example of drawing one with a design that can appeal to more than just chubby chasers. It helps that the boys in-story consider her hot and she's a rare case of "fat and proud." She even got more and more screentime as the manga went on because the author saw that a lot of her fans really liked Nikuko. Also a really fast runner and swimmer despite her weight which is pretty truth-in-television. My current girlfriend is a big, beautiful woman and she's way more physically capable than my slender, 120 lbs soaking wet form. XD

I don't get what the point of this is. The AI-generated art theft is giving me serious uncanny valley and I can't imagine how the eco-destruction of generating the art theft is worth it when the writing is so full of typos and the English is too poor to make up for that uncanny valley, art theft, and environmentalism destruction.

These procedurally-generated images that you used a bot to compile from stolen artwork give me some serious uncanny valley. The writing is so full of typos and bad English that it can't make up for it like the stories G-U-C writes. I don't get why the eco-destruction is worth it unless you're trying to get rich quick through grifting.

You used this to "learn" about profiting off of machine-learning algorithm procedurally generated art theft? What's there to learn about using a bot to steal art for you?

Lots of these uncanny valley "AI" image art theft scams on this site now.