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I think you mean truly avoidable but this is may cause confusion because people in the community use avoidable as "doesn't happen if you choose it not to" and skippable/optional as "happens but you don't have to see it". Regardless, good luck with your game.

Oh, one of the girls is actually lesbian and not bi--what is the plan there with regard to her relationship with the player character if you don't mind spoiling? 

I should actually read f95 threads before asking questions. Thanks for your time. It's not a deal-breaker anyway and it sounds like it all involves the protagonist or leads to it so that's cool by me.

Good start. Don't know how deep these choices will run, can I avoid the lesbians going forward?

I know you've probably gotten this a lot so thank you for your time.

I had no idea how to parse that. Generally the further back I read in the thread the less I understood. My question was raised several times and for some reason a concise yes or no was never given, there's always an addendum or something that reads contradictory. I can't tell if it's just a language thing or the developer being elusive.

Tags aren't matching another site. Does or will this have netorare or not?

Okay, I've read a little: the main love interests, girls in the harem, have no sexual content with anyone other than the MC. Side characters do but it's player choice and avoidable. Is that correct?

Can I get a name on the source material? It's possible I missed it but I never saw an actual name in the devlogs, that might be intentional.

And comedic lack of self-awareness. Like I know it sucks to work hard on something and get shit on in return but the lane change from it's porn and fetish doesn't say anything to harem players are forever-alone was too abrupt. Anyway I don't think the change to swinging will do anything to deter haters: the first chapters don't stop being netorare. 

Wish the actual dungeon crawling had a little more meat on it but overall I like the idea. And I get that it's not NTR but I wasn't a fan of unavoidable scenes with the antagonist and his girlfriend, or Rachel's past, like I'm playing in part to dodge these scenes.

I get that they're love interests and it isn't really about them, but for a game with revenge as a theme I'd hope that characters like Mai and Ayumi would see at least a little comeuppance. I know them being "complex" is intentional but that can remain true and they can face consequences. When characters betray and continue to betray, it's a bit unsatisfying when it's treated like this, even if it makes sense in context. Good dick and getting them away from Kenta are rewards themselves.

I realize it's not finished and this could be premature, I'm just thinking out loud. 

Wasn't quite my question but I got my answer, the player may get the final say, which I already understood, but Lily does push for it, at least that is how the bar bathroom leadup reads. 

itch has a netorare tag, no? 

Some of the "grind" feels a bit much and I'm not a fan of having to go through "Misc" events I have no interest in (eg random voyeurism) to get ones I might (Nia) but I like the presentation and simple dating sim concept.

Yeah man, I don't really care if we get Emily content or not lol. So I take it I'm correct in that they're fucking, so my real question is: in the future will we get love interests having implied, unavoidable sex off-screen like this? Like, even if she's not a love interest, having this strong implication of someone close to the protagonist getting railed so you can set up a potential voyeur/NTR scene feels off in a game where I'm supposed to have the choice of a vanilla experience, even if I can opt out of seeing it, you feel?

This is assuming Emily and Connor are fucking (she has a crush on him, they're busy at the same time, etc): is Emily a real heroine/love interest? Likely it'll be optional in that we can choose to see it or not  (which is great), but not avoidable.  Is this scenario going to be common for heroines/love interests? This isn't criticism, and I understand how this would play into what you're trying to do, but I'm looking for a more harem experience and not interested in implications the girls are banging off-screen. 

I still have the same questions regarding Emily that I previously expressed. The sex scenes are great though, really. 

So does that mean there's always at least a chance they are stolen, even if small? 

The scene itself adds little (except porn to a porn game, so it has value) and can literally be skipped so I'm not sure what the "depth" is. We already know she's with Brad. Anyway I didn't mind the scene but maybe you could mark the "bunk the class" option? And if you're going to make her avoidable (not sure why but okay, options are good) perhaps make the handjob avoidable too? It is a bit strange you can evade everything but that scene tbh. 

Sorry, I'm asking if this is like a thing that'll be understood to be happening off screen while you're pursuing the girls but before they're exclusive or whatever, I get that you'll have a choice to actually ever see futa content.

So what I'm gathering is she will be fucking the other girls?

This seems to have fair amount of fetish content. What would you say the breakdown is on that, or is it a case of there's always a vanilla/non-vanilla alternative to sexual scenes?

Yea I read your comment further down about Risa after I asked and I am going to see how that plays out first. It'd be one thing if it were an established boyfriend, a quiet, unrequited love on Ren's part, or something along those lines but that it boiled to two suitors and she chose the other leaves a bit of a bad taste. Then they end up together only after her first choice turns out to be a dick, even given time, that's personally off-putting, and juxtaposed against not only a heroine like Natsumi but a relationship like Ren and Natsumi's, Risa and everything she entails sounds worse by comparison.  Compounded by some of her other actions, well, she's rough. Generally I'd leave this alone but a) it is a dating sim and b) she is ostensibly unavoidable if you're interested in anyone other than Natsumi. Still I'm interested in the "why" of things on her part. Thanks for the response. 

Assume the harem is every girl without choice? Don't like Risa at all.

How much leeway is granted to a Patreon requested scene? Could they actually create a scenario with any content they want? 

Yeah these guys fancy themselves writers and try to make the heroines "flawed" which would be cool if they were sympathetic or endearing otherwise but they're not, they're largely just unlikable. 

I well understand your issue (I guess this is an attempt to hone in on what I explicitly call an aside?), look at what I've actually replied to. More than half of your initial comment is pretending you are an authority on poly relationships, worse still as if it matters in a fictional setting, and insulting nebulous players and the developer. You later assume things about me, like you have the extent of the developers rationale, and the public playerbase, where supporters come from. The developer can remove content for any reason they deem, from any build, you don't have to like it, you are free to express that. I'm calling you out because you're being a prick.

Played the prologue which definitely quelled my concern on variety and having more "oomph" on Aiden's scenes. Good stuff. I'm assuming so I could be getting ahead of myself, it seems Connor and Emily are fucking. Like everything, this would probably be optional, but not avoidable (implicitly happens in the background). Is she a heroine, for lack of better term? And if she is, it's cool and all but is this kind of thing going to be the norm (outside of like randoms like the maid with the MMF option)?

I never commented until the content had already been removed at which point I advocated for it to be avoidable, and I am largely pro any and all sexual content being optional unless a developer deems it important. And no shit, but I'm not the one condescending as though they've something substantial to say, as if you are doing those "ignorant" a favor by imparting your "lessons". Glad we have some perspective. And listening or appeasing, whatever you want to call it, I believe it is the developer's prerogative, and that isn't to say one has to like it. I'm playing nice here, you are assuming, calling people manchildren, and the developer pathetic. 

As an aside, I'd argue removing the scenes also qualifies as "creative choice" regardless of how it was reached but whatever.

A lot of people hate the lesbian content(?) in MobuSeka for several different reasons.

Not a word about what polygamy or harem or whatever means or your personal expectations of them, and I want to stress that is all your "lessons" are because as with all relationships the not everything is a rule and this is fiction, actually matters. Because you believe polyamory typically does or should go both ways means fuck all. And saying the futa or the NTR/sharing adjacent scenes technically fit "harem" isn't going to be compelling to anyone opposed to those fetishes, and they're free to express that they did not like the content regardless. Now should the developer have listened? I do know that's the developer's right at least.

Man, I know she's not a heroine after the fact and it wasn't the intent but the mom calling the protag while having sex evokes NTR more than it should. Like I'm not staunchly against showing others' sex lives but the framing here is weird.

Will she be the one pushing for cuckolding/sharing?

Wait, with the talk of futa and traps, this content would be completely avoidable, yes (as in it doesn't happen at all if the player doesn't want it, not that you simply don't see it)?

You make it sound as though NTR is the only conflict that could accomplish that, but to be fair I'm not familiar with the Futa Oasis thing.

Thank you for answering. Other than I hope it's always evident what content a quest will lead to and that the relationship between Aiden and wife be more fleshed out besides sex (0.1, I know, and I believe she only has perversion points), I have no concerns or substantial criticism.

I do have another question though. Are Aiden's the only sex scenes that will be animated (I opted for the random girl/old man so I don't know if the wife alternative was)? I noticed the positions seemed more varied than standard Koikatsu fare during the old man scene, which I assume is because of animations being limited unless you make them custom. Anyway I think a mix would be nice for all content. 

I think I saw all current content without error, so that's good. It appears the way to avoid content is to not take the quests or interact in the first place. In the case of the old man's quest,  it's explicit what content you'll be getting, with the duke, you can guess it'll lead to voyeurism, but talking to the man spying on Lily, not so. It's obviously a minor thing, especially this scene in particular,  but personally I'd like to know what I'm getting into. 

How much will players be penalized for not doing quests in terms of material rewards (gold, the knife, etc.)? And  will branching mean missing content of different type e.g will avoiding a monster sex quest  potentially mean missing a vanilla, NTR, etc, scene? 

Well, can't say I know all that's been said but from what I've seen I hope you're not taking this personally or as an actual indictment on your game. I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with the content but futa and "heroines sleep with others", while not actually opposed to harem are "harder" tags in an otherwise player character-centric and vaguely vanilla game so I can understand some negative reaction. That said, it's your game and you can do whatever you want, it is up to the audience to decide what is worth their time. Personally I don't think you should remove the content wholesale but make the more controversial tags avoidable in that genuinely doesn't happen if the player doesn't want it to, not that it happens but you don't see it (though this comes with it own bag of worms i.e. options can still inform character and for example some will be put off if a heroine shows a willingness for scenarios like sharing). But I'm pretty pro-player agency over even the most vanilla of sexual content unless it's very important to something.