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Why do you want an overly deep and complex narrative to what is effectively a fetish game? I don't want the author to focus on a grander narrative, I want them to focus on what drives me to read and engage with it, IE, the very thing it WANTS you to engage with. I don't need the author to create some huge, omega class world building and deep intricate lore for their clearly fetish based visual novel. And isn't that the point of Eugene's character? At least from what I have gathered, he's a slippery conniving self-serving man who is really only doing this because he likes doing it, not because he's genuinely invested in people's lives and improving them, which is perfectly fine with me. I don't need a protagonist to be relatable all of the time, sometimes I just want to read a story where what I see is more or less exactly what I get. The characters, the plot, the stakes. All of it.

Of course this could all be subject to change, but I don't know, it kind of feels like you expected this to be something it just won't be and should not be.

FerreTrip201 days ago (1 edit) (+1)(-2)

Um...no? I didn't say I wanted something deep and complex? I wanted something decent, not a huge novel. It's a fetish game, I don't expect it to be very deep. But I at the very least expect the protagonist to be at least a little loveable, even just likeable. That takes a bit more than what's here.

What's here is a protagonist who seems to be little more than a vessel for spreading the fetish around the story world. That's fine in your standard FurAffinity stuff, but this is a visual novel. I think it's fair to expect it's a bit deeper than a puddle. As it is now, it's literally "guy forces people to get big and we watch". I've seen it before, and while it's fun for a short-form thing, expecting me to stay interested for longer? Nope, sorry.

If Eugene was more likeable, that's different. Then we feel more compelled to see him succeed. But for now, he's incredibly one-dimensional. That's fine for a sort of "just watching things unfold" character who does nothing but observe, but as the one causing the growth? I need more to chew on, or I'm just going to get bored.

Yes, it's fine to want a story where WYSIWYG, it's fine to have a protag you can't exactly relate to, but what's wrong with wanting a protagonist who doesn't make you want to punch him in his smug-ass face? Who wants to play as the same kind of self-serving dick as the ones we see running corporations and holding political office? Not me.

I'm not asking for anything complex. I'm asking for something that isn't bitter and hollow. This is literally FurAffinity fare but with way more extra steps. If this is just a learning-to-VN thing, that's totally fine, but I don't see anything indicating that.

Breecer12201 days ago (1 edit) (-2)

Why do you feel the need to "like the protag"? Not every protag is meant to be likeable, relatable, perhaps, but personally, I feel like Eugene is supposed to be an observer and not a partaker, that's exactly why he's doing the things he does in the story. He's not there in the new town to hang out and make friends and do wholesome stuff, he's there because he wants to have fun messing around with people's lives and making them grow.

Believe it or not, I do want to see him succeed in his goals, even if he's a bad person. Because his goals align with what I want to see in the story. And how is any of this story bitter and hollow? It seems to just be a humorous self-serving kind of thing for both Eugene and the reader, which is, you know, the whole point of the novel.

Perhaps that's the whole point of Eugene's character, that he IS a bad person who wants to manipulate people's lives, and one should not automatically expect him to grow and develop into a better person. If he does in a natural way, that's fine, but I'm perfectly okay with a bad person who does bad things for bad reasons, as long as they are entertaining (Like, Jack Horner, for example). I just think that your expectations are a bit out of place.

FerreTrip201 days ago(-2)

I need to "like the protag" or at least feel they're relatable because without that, it's not fun for me to read. As for humorous, maybe I just take it a little too seriously because I suppose it's meant to be taken seriously in-world, to a degree. I didn't say he needs to become a better person in the story, but I think he can make people grow and stuff without being so damn selfish about it.

And if you think my expectations are a bit out of place, I'd like to direct you to a fat VN called Worshippers of the Gain. That has you going around encouraging/directly fattening others without being a jackass, and it's plainly all about the fat stuff. Not too much character stories, it's all horny stuff. It helps there IS an overarching story, but the point I'm making here is you CAN make a fetishy VN with what I'm expecting and STILL have it satisfy what you're looking for.

Keep downvoting me all you want, it's clear you just disagree with what I said and have an entirely different idea of what this should be like. From the start, though, I wasn't looking for YOUR input, but the creator's. If THEY say it's meant to be how it is, then I'll respect that. It honestly kinda sounds like you're telling me I'm completely wrong and stupid for expecting this out of the game/story, when it was all just my opinion to begin with.

Breecer12201 days ago (1 edit) (+1)(-1)

How is it not fun to read about someone who is a bad person doing bad things? Always Sunny in Philadelphia has a whole cast of people who are despicable people, and a lot of people love that show. And if the author says that they intended Eugene to be the way he is, then what? You'll just say, oh, okay, bye then? How do you not eventually make the assumption that Eugene is probably not somebody you should think is a good person? He shows a clear lack of respect for Phil's agency and is clearly just doing this because he wants to watch people grow and get bigger, (LIKE HOW EVERYONE PLAYING THIS NOVEL WANTS TO). He does not need to be a good person, nor does he need to be relatable. Entertaining, yes, compelling, yes to that as well, but not relatable. That should not be a deal breaker for you.

And why are you assuming that I'm downvoting you? I don't need to do something like that to get my point across or anything like that. It's probably somebody else, idk. Why would you even point that out?

And no, I don't believe this story should really be taken that seriously because I believe that it's not meant to be serious and nor should it be.

And yes, I think that you are wrong, but you're putting words in my mouth when you say that I told you that you are stupid. No, I did not, I told you that what you were proposing seemed to be wrong, from my POV.

FerreTrip201 days ago (2 edits)

Oh, shit, sorry, I thought you were the one downvoting me ^^; Huh, they're downvoting almost everyone, actually.... Must be a troll.

And for me, it's not fun reading about bad people doing bad things because there's more than enough of that in real freaking life. Yes, we want to watch people grow, but I don't want to have it happen to them because some crazy maniac is thrusting the growth onto them. I want it to be a TINY bit more nuanced. I'm not asking for something deep, I just want it to be a little fuller than it is. I personally don't find Eugene to be very entertaining as things are right now.

I'm sorry if you thought I was putting words in your mouth; that's why I said "sounds like".

Breecer12201 days ago

That's okay, I just don't like when people assume wrongly about my words on the internet, even though I understand that conveying certain things on the internet is far more difficult than over the phone or in person and my intention was not to insult you or anything like that. But personally, I just think that as long as he is somebody like Jack Horner or Handsome Jack, I'd be fine with him being a bad person doing bad things. And going by the story, that's probably what is going to happen with the introduction of the beach place, where he can find more people that he can grow and get into more wacky shenanigans.

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