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Maxime Martyr4 years ago (5 edits) (-1)

There is another reason which lead me to think this story is not complete yet.

Indeed, when the heroes fight against the mage who controls this artificial world, he summons the templates of the heroes to fight against the heroes.

And then, he is surprised that the template of Atreyan is missing and starts pondering something.

At this point, I came to the conclusion that the mage couldn't summon the template of Atreyan because the template was already here.

Indeed, this scripted event lead me to think that the Atreyan that I have been controlling was actually the template and that the real Atreyan was pulling the strings in the shadows using his template to divert the attention away from him.

This was the logical conclusion to this scripted event.

However, after these 2 scripted lines of dialogue, the missing template of Atreyan is never ever mentionned again, the revelation that I guessed was coming never came...

Then why did you script this event to show that the mage is surprised that the template of Atreyan is missing and seems to realize something if not to hint that the mage realized he couldn't summon the template because the template was under our control?

Moreover, this would also explain why Atreyan is the only of the 4 heroes who has no memories of the real world.

Because he never was in the real world, he is a template created in the artificial world so his existence started in the artificial world, he can't remember the real world because he was never there to start with.

The fact that Atreyan has no memories of the real world whereas the 3 heroines remember their past life, the scripted event showing that the template of Atreyan is missing whereas the templates of the 3 heroines are still under the control of the mage, really, you made everything to lead to the logical conclusion that the Atreyan we control is the missing template and the real Atreyan is pulling the strings in the shadows since there has to be someone who has taken the template without the mage knowing it and the only person who could have done it is the only missing real hero, the real Atreyan, if we control the template, and there has to be a motive why Atreyan has stolen his template from the mage, the only logical reason being to divert the attention on the template so the real Atreyan is free to do whatever he wants hidden in the shadows.

The the next logical question is: Why the real Atreyan stays hidden? What is he doing in the shadows?

Is he on our side? Is he helping us in the shadows? These creepy visions that I have been seeing and this voice that I have been hearing in my head, is he him who remotely directs me? Is he directing me to defeat this artificial world?

But then, if he was on our side, then there would be no more need to stay hidden once the mage is dead, there is no one left to watch over this world so why does he keep hidding?

There is only one logical conclusion to explain why the real Atreyan stays hidden when there is no more threat: He is not on our side.

And so, after I defeated Slimey, I was holding my breath, I was expecting the real Atreyan to finally come out of the shadows and a dialogue between the real Atreyan and the party where he reveals that the Atreyan is in the party is a fake, the missing template that he has been manipulating to do the dirty work, a tool to get rid ot the security and seize control of this world.

Indeed, the real Atreyan doesn't want to escape this world and return to the boring world where he endlessly fights unoriginal evil and saves helpless princesses, he'd rather stay here, in this malleable world full of possibilities, where he could make whatever he wanted once he was on full control, he could be the omnipotent god of this world and make this world however he wants it to be, set his own rules, and create his ideal world.

I expected the story concluding with an epic confrontation between the real Atreyan and the party, I expected the ultimate boss of the game to be the real hero tired of being a hero and now being selfish.

But that didn't happen, even though you prepared the game to lead to this outcome, you didn't make it...

Why? Why hint to this if not making it?

You still can make it and that would be awesome!

I mean, you made Atreyan to be the only of the 4 heroes to have no memories of the real world, you scripted an event to show that the mage is surprised that the template of Atreyan is missing, you basically prepared the game to lead to this outcome so just make it already! ;-p

SierraLee4 years ago

>At this point, I came to the conclusion that the mage couldn't summon the template of Atreyan because the template was already here.

This wasn't what I intended to hint. Unlike the others, who need to be reawoken each cycle, Atreyan has completely eroded his own template. Later in that battle, when the last boss is summoned, the sorcerer realizes this and makes a comment along those lines.

Atreyan does have memories of the real world, but since he's the player's avatar, he's usually not the one bringing them up.

Maxime Martyr4 years ago(-1)

The sorcerer said "I can't imagine how you undermined so much.", how was I supposed to understand he was meaning "eroded your template"? I thought he meant undermining the spell. Your hint is not a hint if it is too vague to hint anything, it even lead me onto a wrong reasoning, it made me think that the missing template was in the party and so the real hero was pulling the strings in the shadows to take control of this world because he had repeated the quest to save the princess so many times that he eventually became fed up of being a hero and now he wanted to be selfish and indulge in a reality that he could control as he pleases and I expected the game to conclude with the revelation that the Atreyan in the party is the missing template stolen and manipulated by the real Atreyan and the final battle to be a confrontation between the real hero who is fed up of being a hero and the party of the fake hero who has become the true hero, I imagined all of that because of a "hint" which lacks clarity!

Well, even if I was mistaken, what do you think? You imagined a story about heroes trapped into a fake world and endlessly repeating the same cycle again and again, you made a RPG who mocks idiotic standards mechanics used by almost every RPG, but you could push this concept deeper, you could make the hero to discover that not only his world is artificial but he is himself artificial and the real hero had turned the antagonist, what do you think?

Anyway, if it was not your intention to hint that Atreyan's template is missing because he is in the party then please change the sorcerer's dialogue because, unclear as it is now, as you can see, it leads to misunderstandings, instead of "I can't imagine how you undermined so much" which could mean anything, write something more specific like what you told me, "I didn't expect you to completely erode your template", to make sure your hint does its job efficiently instead of misleading as it does now.

Also, could you please add an option to configure a game controller? Because since you used an unusual button, C, to jump, it is not a standard command on game controllers and so I can't use my controller to play your game because I can't jump with a controller. If you add an option to configure controllers then I can bind the jump command to my controller and be able to use it to play your game.