Post by GeraldTheCat in Echo comments

Viewing post in Echo comments

*** LEO AND JENNA ROUTE SPOILERS ***

No offense but how can some readers miss the point of Leo's route so badly? It read like a reality check on how dangerous sticking around in toxic relationships, staying with a mentally ill person and not moving on can be. Echo is not a happy dating sim where years' worth of emotional and mental issues can be fixed with love. If you want that, then look elsewhere because you'll get your heart broken again and again.

"Leo really loves Chase (although somewhat obsessive)"

Understatement of the century! It's not something cute like plain ol' love, Leo has a psychotic obsession. Yes, people want to blame Echo (the town) but both in Leo's and Jenna's route, the game makes it crystal clear that Leo had all those issues (like a laundry list of common abusive/toxic traits) but Echo just amplified them. Leo is bound to stay toxic even if he and Chase left Echo- Leo's dismissive of psychiatric care so forget therapy or couples counseling. Leo has proper mental issues that lurve will not fix, in fact, him clinging on "love" made him worse.

miski070@gmail.com3 years ago

Take it easy man, it was just an opinion and although I agree with you, keep in mind that Leo during his route does not recognize or realize that he has a problem, it is until one of his ends when he realizes that he has that . In Jenna's route is when Leo finally realizes, it is the first step to treat a problem and if there are people with PTSD (which can last up to a lifetime) who have managed to overcome this disease then I do not see why Leo should not . And sorry if my English is bad, it is not my native language.

GeraldTheCat3 years ago(+3)

First of all, your English is not bad at all so don't apologize or worry about it. Second, I'm not intending to sound mad, this is a discussion among fans- I probably sound harsher since you can't hear my tone of voice.

Anyway, it's not that I think Leo can't get better. The problem is Leo doesn't believe in getting help because he's stubborn and proud. Yes, it's true that in Jenna's route, he at least admits his faults and that's important.

You used PTSD as an example. People who learn to manage their PTSD get professional help and at some point admit they need it. While Leo doesn't have PTSD (some people think he's a psychopath but I disagree with that too), he hasn't started with the important step yet and that is admitting his troubled behavior is a problem he can't deal with on his own. Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

I can't see how Leo could ever have a healthy relationship with Chase, given that Chase is the reason Leo went insane. Even if Leo got help, it will never be the same again. Especially in Jenna's route so far, where Chase is developing feelings for Jenna and is now put off by Leo's toxic behavior. Chase doesn't give mixed signals anymore. It's sad but they won't work and forcing them to work is wasting the point Leo's route was trying to make.

Drake423 years ago

Hey there! I have to say that after going through it again and thinking about it, that I do understand Leo's route ending now. I see how Leo has truly series problems and that maybe he and Chase could never be together again. But I still find it sad that Leo has to have all that emotional pain for two years and possibly a lot more! Also the ending made it seem that he would never find someone to love again, and he might never be happy again for a very long time! I get that it showed its best to let go of a toxic relationship, but I actually really liked Leo and it would be nice if he has a happier ending somehow!

GeraldTheCat3 years ago(+3)

Heya! It's understandable, Echo is one of those games you could read through three more times and probably find something new. Like I said before, I understand where the Leo fans are coming from but yes I passionately believe it's for the best that Leo and Chase never end up back together. Plus Echo is not the game to look for happy endings lol. I think us fans having mixed opinions about Leo just shows how well Echo's writers did with him. It's hard to make a guy like him sympathetic but they did it!

Drake423 years ago

Yeah, truly! I actually was most interested in Flynn when I first found out about Echo! He has a much more tragic ending!

I still wish there was another ending where Chase and Leo at lest stay friends though. I've actually written my own fanfiction, possibly going to write several versions!

itch.io

Viewing post in Echo comments