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jams3 years ago(+1)

I understand there is a language barrier here. I think something else was meant by samples, considering that pre-made loops are not allowed. Probably sampled instruments, or something of the sort? It would not make sense for the FAQ to say first that premade loops are not allowed, and then that samples are as long as they are legal, if samples and pre-made loops were equivalent. Maybe it is your responsibility, as someone who acknowledges using only premade loops in your submission, to check with the owner of the jam if there has been a mistake.

I guess I mainly feel that this jam is perhaps not the place for an experiment like this.

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Yazorius3 years ago

Here is where I've found the loops/samples used. As you can see, they use the two different words for the same product. And at the contrary, I don't know a better place to experiment this. But no problem : I have made a mistake in my participation. Not about the samples/loops used, but about 2 different participations (as I don't consider Dyzantheria deserving to being a part of my ImaginaryOST). Thing that is clearely forbidden ... Oupsy ! For this reason, I can, if the jam owner asks me to, delete my Dyzantheria submission. But I've talked to him at the beginning, and when I explained why I had 2 submissions, he didn't tell anything special (he just choosed the ImaginaryOST as the music referent for my jam profile). So ... We are not in a big contest with prices and tv promotion here : I've played with the rules, but nothing terrible. We're between musical friends here, and if Dyzantheria is a problem, I can fix it easily ^^

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Aibon3 years ago(+1)

Hi guys, I've just finished reading all your conversation, and OMG. I'll try to be brief. 

First of all, I'm 20, so I'm still young and inmature as an artist, but I'd like to say that I strongly agree with Yazorius about the expression of the artist and I support the authenticity when working on your music. The key is always the weight of your creative decisions, and like he said, something might sound great but might be soul-less... But that's a well known story for everyone, I'd like to add something else to this conversation:

Art expression is VERY LINKED to the uniqueness of the individual and his ideas/style/method. I'm not very into the music production market, I actually do music because I love it, I don't have any formal studies and I learned to play the guitar myself (Sadly I don't play it very often)

 But I'm quite aware of the Real time engines that are being developed. Unreal engine is a great tool, but when the technology is so easy to use, the free assets so easy to get and so, everything ends up being THE SAME, and that is a reflection of what most people really care about, the final product. 

And don't get me wrong, UE is a magnificient tool and has a lot of possibilities, but the easiness which you can get "nice" results is terrible from an artisitc perspective, and this standarization overshadow people who carefully craft their experience with their own stuff. And is not because of the complexity or the technical quality, is about the Authenticity and the UNIQUENESS of the individual.

After reading this, I appreciate more your comments Yazorius. I noticed that you took your time to say something special and special to a lot of people, always trying to be authentic. Thank you

I hope I didn't say too many dumb things. I'm so glad to see people caring about this as well in this jam 

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jams3 years ago(+1)

Sure, but someone making a track out of pre-made loops and submitting it to this jam for people to rate positively and gush over, amongst everyone else's sincere compositions, seems like a slightly inappropriate way to grind this ax, is all I'm saying.

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Yazorius3 years ago

I'm sorry, jams, that you didn't understand my approach which you summarize as a kind of trap, as if my initial desire was basically to criticize the positive reactions to this "background sound". The reactions, positive or negative, allow me to see how many can appreciate such a rendering to the detriment of an artistic singularity. I do not in any way seek to obtain positive reviews with this music, and have never sought to criticize them (I did not respond to any, good or bad, both for Dyzantheria and for Mushroomland, except yours to explain myself). I respect each individual, both for their art and their tastes, and as I said previously, I understand that one can be amazed by such a musical result, because it is precisely to bluff that such tools have been created.

So, to summarize my approach, here are the reasons, in order, for the upload of Dyzantheria for this jam:

- not being sure I had time to create something, I quickly did Dyzantheria to at least make sure I participated

- Dyzantheria allowed me to finally test these "facilitating" tools myself, since I have always criticized them without ever having tried them.

- After creating Mushroomland, I had the possibility to remove Dyzantheria from the Jam, but I wondered which of the two music would please the most: I had the possibility here to follow a kind of duel between the loops / samples and personal creation

- I was contacted by the author of the Jam who let me have these two entries, knowing that I specified the evil that I thought of Dyzantheria

- I decided that Dyzantheria could be a way, after the Jam, to share this experience, showing the ease but intense standardizing poverty of these tools, while giving my support to the real artists who themselves create their own melodies and harmonies .

Under no circumstances will my goal have been to criticize a human being or making a trap to catch positive comments, but to criticize a technology that can be dangerous for Creativity and Artistic Diversity. And I greatly thank Aibon for having understood perfectly, especially with its parallel with UE, which can lead to the video game clones without flavor or originality, like those which for example massively invade Steam for more than 5 years.

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