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Screaming at 3am3 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

(Spoilers, pls the game before reading)

Euca, thinks Echo and other wishes are ghosts / ghastly like, but I'm pretty sure they're entities that form when someone has really strong wish.

The strength of that wish is proportional to the will of the wisher

Jinny has a very strong will which makes Halley extremely powerful

So powerful that with the help of a mystery person, she can rewind (I think) time.

I'm pretty sure she is only rewinding time to save Jinny, but she needs Euca if Halley plans to succeed

I think the reason why we have no memories is because Halley and the mystery person were rewinding too far back

(I'm speculating btw, so there is a good chance I'm wrong)

Edit: I just thought

What if Halley rewinding time over and over again to save Jinny is her own wish?

*UNDERTALE MUSIC INTENSIFIES*

robotcoyote3 years ago

Spoilers below

Aren’t most of those said explicitly? Also the Whishes seem mostly born from different kinds of wishes, Echo from a falling star, Phillip’s from a wishing well, the 100 cranes from, well, the 100 cranes Owen folded (y’know, that legend thing), Halley I think is a dying wish and the lady from the lake is either a mother’s wish or a dying wish as well (or both?). The remnant is probably a suicide wish, maybe it’s a corrupted Echo or Euca made another wish later; I’m pretty sure it’s his considering in Jinny’s flashback Euca is seen hanging and the remnant literally having a noose around its neck (considering time and memory shenanigans I’m not even sure wether or not either one is from this “timeline”’s past).

Where their strenght lies and its extent also seems strongly related to the means of their creation, like how Echo is stronger when there’s a meteor shower or how Cecilia’s is weaker away from her lake.

Screaming at 3am3 years ago (2 edits) (+1)

Owen's wish is actually 1000 paper cranes

But he miss counted and only made 999 Paper cranes and also the Paper cranes' name is Leila

And Bradley said they were a last breath or something like that

Dweebus Maximus3 years ago(+1)

wait what the fuck, I never saw that, the hanging part

robotcoyote3 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

Spoilers below

The hanging flashback is in Sissel’s route, I think?

Also Echo’s camera’s holder-thingy looks a lot like a noose as well, even more the more he’s damaged, thus why Echo and the remnant are probably the same wish (Euca probably wished to die or something when he was 6 and saw the falling star, thus why echo hopes he never gets granted) but with time shenanigans involved

Screaming at 3am3 years ago(+1)

To quote Echo to support this

"No seriously, Euca, it was a *really* stupid wish. I was inches away from punching you in the face."

robotcoyote3 years ago(+2)

He must have thought “Damn edgy 6 year old…”

Screaming at 3am3 years ago(+1)

Y E S

Screaming at 3am3 years ago

Yeah it was traumatic

robotcoyote3 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

Also, how do you put that many line breaks in a row without it being counted as just one?

Like between these two lines there’s 10, but it looks the same as with just 1 (I used the code thingy before but it looks ugly)

Screaming at 3am3 years ago

I'm on mobile

The keyboard has a button that is similar to the shift key I think

robotcoyote3 years ago(+1)

(cries in desktop)

Screaming at 3am3 years ago(+2)

laughs in mobile

Dweebus Maximus3 years ago(+1)

I'm basically about to vomit information at you that may or may not make sense.

Echo is Euca's wish, depending on the route you take, he gets weaker and weaker, whatever we're doing is either straying away from the path to fulfilling our wish, or the opposite and getting closer, so he would just disappear when we complete it. However, it could also be that since he refused to tell us what we wished for, which means he's consciously trying to avoid fulfilling the wish. Side note, when taking Sissel's route, after rewinding time, your will to fix the past is strengthening, so shouldn't Echo get stronger?

Remnant isn't just a wish away, he has ungodly strength, but we never really know why he is there to begin with, we don't even know who brought him into existence. That being said, he wouldn't haunt the main cast in particular if it had nothing to do with it, so is he a wish Euca had made with a full throttle will during a low in his life? Is he the result of a really fucked up Echo, after avoiding his whole purpose, and remained after Halley rewound time, who is he even linked to?

Everyone has a wish guardian in one way shape or form, Remnant isn't directly linked to anyone, all he's shown the desire for is utter chaos, or.. or the truth, he's also shown minute kindness in giving someone what they want, even if it isn't always the best thing for the person

Screaming at 3am3 years ago(+2)

More game theory nonsense, sorry also Spoilers

your will to fix the past is strengthening, so shouldn't Echo get stronger?

Euca doesn't even know what his wish was/is

And Echo doesn't want to tell us or complete that wish, so that's probably why he is not getting stronger (also is called a broken star)

we don't even know who brought him (remnant) into existence.

Remnant said he was created by Euca in Sissel's route, and Remnant also said that he finally granted Euca's wish, but Euca decided to go back

Is he the result of a really fucked up Echo, after avoiding his whole purpose, and remained after Halley rewound time, who is he even linked to?

I personally think Euca's wish was a death wish, like he was so depressed that his will to die was immense and that's when Echo was summoned, but since Echo didn't want to do it he got corrupted and turned into a Remnant. (Speculation) Quote from Echo

"No seriously, Euca, it was a *really* stupid wish. I was inches away from punching you in the face."

Also they both have a similar Noose like string around their necks, but Remnant's doesn't have a camera attached, and Echo loses an arm in Owen's route like how Remnant has no arms. (More speculation)

Dweebus Maximus3 years ago(+1)

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Screaming at 3am3 years ago(+2)

Hello everyone

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Chaotic mess3 years ago

im a bit late to this but more than likely its a chain of wishes, jinnys wish would be to save the main character ( since you know) which would make it understandable on why halley can rewind time. the only problem im having is with the main character, all wishes symbolize their wisher in some way (echo has a noose around his neck not sure about halley bur bare with me) this makes sense. but halley in the start of the game said something along the lines of " echo is a useless wish " and "he would turn into something vile" or something along those lines, even though later she confirms she doesn't keep her memories. but echo also confrirms that remnants are " dead wishes " so wouldnt that mean, in some shape or form the remnant is the mc's " dead wish ". this would also imply that echo is going to (or already has) turn into a dead wish (since you know, grandfather paradox).

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