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same! reading other people's theories is awesome especially when its large ones like yours lol, now on to responding again! possible spoilers warning lol!

I hadn't thought about the alpha becoming a swamp wolf and now I'm curious if he has, I had an idea a while back where Serena might be the swamp final boss as like maybe a goddess of fertility because the swamp creatures took her and corrupted her further, also Werewolves being seen during the day is extra strange so you could be right about this being proof he is a Swamp wolf now, which maybe he was around Bareshade to try and get Bernard, Logan and Caleb to try and force them to become one of the swamp creature wolves!

also, ye I can look for where i heard it and tell you if I do :)

then Ruben, I think it has merit for an idea absolutely, it also makes sense due to his personality so it being him makes a good amount of sense, originally i thought it wouldn't be that likely but now that you reminded me of the teacher speaking with him you actually kinda convinced me it's him because the teacher might have accidentally sparked a lot by telling Ruben. plus, the idea of it being Hishh was based off the idea that the corruption was maybe infecting the big tree and it caused it to become sentient and it was feeding him information and it told him about the werewolves, but now Ruben works.

and the permanent werewolf thing would also make sense if we can succeed in doing so, originally, I thought it might be something in own entire thing that takes an adventure to like a hidden werewolf kingdom or something to cure, but now this idea also works and fits without needing a new area! plus I believe the ? is possibly Serena herself and we just can't do anything yet because it's not added in yet.

now Xer creating an artificial cleanser or Othra teaching us a cleansing ritual could be true, but i think it was either need to happen during the siege on the temple or directly after with Othra and Roushk watching to help if anything goes wrong, and maybe something will where you become super corrupted and need to let it out and depending on who loves/likes you more Othra or Roushk would intervene and either do lewd things or help keep you calm to purify yourself and save the lake, but back on the siege itself, an attack at the temple where we almost lose and switch to Roushk seems fun because it could also be a way to increase love maybe with him, along with other warriors who see you nearly lose could come help and also be allies, like Xer could throw potions, Rhot could swoop in and attack with his tail or spear, and Grushk could tank or deal bigger damage with lesser chance while you play as the leader and heal everyone. but if WE siege them maybe you could choose to bring 3 people total and depending on relationships with you could determine how they fight with you, like one or 2 hearts could be really well but 3 could be perfect while no hearts or a black heart would lessen your strength and cause you to take damage from them hitting you by accident as well. and failing you could all become corrupted, and the temple would fall as a bad ending.

then on the ones who wanna stay corrupted, it's not a bad idea that Xer could do that and it's more feasible then you think because it could be a easy way to cleanse it fast and maybe even cheap depending on materials. he could also teach us it so we could skip corrupted fights and save more people to have higher ally numbers! (then dates are like yeah Rhot would do something less than lewd for once and Grushk would prolly bird watch, cuddle or meditate with MC)

also we already know some things about her because of dialog with other characters, one being they began fighting because Logan couldn't keep up with her sex drive and some people believed he got physical with her when he never did. plus she never hated him she just wanted more sex than he could provide and ended up going insane from pleasure.

also Feliar would literally have to have murdered the entirety of a world for me to dislike him a little lol.

but yeah, I entirely forgot he said it was someone we knew, ruling out those two's dad.... but we still got 2 suspects and I wanna find out if we are right. even without evidence this feels correct lol.

now the golem's I thought they were just protecting crystals and the father was just the leader rather than something to protect, but if he is what the goal maybe his chest crystal is either really old or it was born stronger than anyone else's.

also, I think the orc's might help out but only if the MC says they have too, and the idea of him asking for training and becoming more accepting sounds amazing. 

and the Ruben thing was actually an idea I think me and JustNonsense came up with a while back when we were exchanging theories XD. but on track again, maybe Ruben is a part of a cult? he could have joined for forbidden knowledge and ended up killing a bunch of people in his pursuit of it.

also Paulo and John needing to find job's and us helping sounds like a fun event! maybe it could lead to later encounter's depending on what you choose and what your rep is! 

then Tao I entirely forgot he wanted to go home so yeah, maybe it could be a temp home and when we visit, he could also get told he could visit! scrap living with us and the chase hide mechanic though work better with how you described it, i thought it was limited steps and only one path which would be kinda hard to find easily and he would always wake up, but this could be countered by him always waking up and fighting you/fucking you but the less or more you fight maybe he could gain/lose strength, like a lot could give him plenty of time to prepare while a little would give him little and he would have to rush to try and stop you! then the bad endings, yeah I'm mainly just projecting a desire here lol. I want it but I'm glad you like it!

Scrap living with us then moving though could be fun because he could choose his path, like cooking at the bar or sewing with Rose as you said! 

the cave though, that's complex because she might explore early and i doubt our dog/a door would stop her when she wants something XD.

and on another note, you did great writing them! they came off clean and the theories make plenty of sense if you pay attention so yeah, you're doing great! plus your ideas on mine gave me some ideas too, so like thank you!

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Really? I love reading big theories too! It always makes me think and then re think over and over, and debate over things that didn't make sense etc. 

Also, answering you final notes. Thanks! I really appreciate those kind words. Now that my ideas gave you some more ideas, I want to hear them! But let's talk, some more! Spoilers! Spoilers! Spoikers! 

I don't think there will be things with serena again, Logan said he visited the den a day after he became the new Alpha and saw Serena "in that state" probably meaning she obviously that she bacame a wewolf like you mentioned, but he also said he don't really want to have anything to do with her and that he is glad that they separed or something like that. If there had something to do with her he would mention to MC that some of the pack is missing and his wife is one of them. But then again, who knows? There is always a possibility and I can get surprised, also the ideia she could be a goddest of fertility sounds really interesting. 

I don't think the swamp Alpha or any swanp wolf would get that close to Bareshade yet, they're just in the Misty Abiss for now and Swamp Creatures usually don't get out of the swamps. So them going after those three seems unlikely, sorry. 

Thanks! That would really help. 

Somehow I don't think our teacher would likely say about a wolves den on a random conversention on pure mistake. I think Ruben told our teacher his secret project and our teacher helped him by telling about the wolves den, but could not do something yet because of the situation in Northcrest. If only another herbalist appered, bringing him some health potions, healing herbs, some powders or even a flower only seen at Misty Abiss... That would help him have some stock so that no one would really need him for a few hours, plus, if he is a herbalist for some time now he probably have some kind a mount like a horse, making him getting there more faster. Jokes aside, that makes so much sense if you think about it. 

I don't think a tree in Misty Abiss would have a information like that tho. But the thought that a tree could comunicate with the enemy makes me uneasy. 

A werewolve kingdom would be really funny tho. Too much work to a uncanon joke but like just a comment like in the study where the is jokes on it here and there. About that question mark. I think it could be serena, but being people last belongings would make much more sense because we'll probably cure the Alpha and we know nothing about him yet. I still think that at some point we will cure serena but don't think it's any time soon. 

Probably after beating the shit out of Hishh, we'll try to clean the lake but since it's cursed by a probable demon, using the gem makes sense. I still think we will need to analyse the gem closer because at the Lizard Treasure event, after Othra gives the gem back it is mention that you can analyse it further at home.

The ideia of you getting corrupted and one of your lovers trying to calm MC down somehow makes my heart melt. Like imagine, MC shaking and breathing heavily and one of your lovers hugs you to calm you down so you can drink a cleansing water or two. 

I like to think it makes sense for him to save us, he says he trust us with his live and then after some time he says he would give his life to save us if needed which makes this scene more probable. Lizards seeing MC struggle and helping him seems really fun since you are really respected there (no wonder, you literally saved their race) and helping each other seems like something they would do. 

About Xer, Rhot and Grousk appearing in battle to help MC seems good but would be too much coding since would be MC, Xer, Rhot and Grousk in a group agains Lizards. And Grousk being tank makes so much sense, omg. 

I don't think there will be time to have more hearts befote the fight. We just got second heart with Rousk and/or Othra, we would need a date for Rhot second heart and Grousk first date to his first heart. So I don't think an a battle that hearts determined the fight would work. 

A bad ending would similar but different from losing to Rousk when you fight him to take him to the temple. 

You really think so? I mean, I am sure Xer could do that with cleanse water but that wouldn't be very convenient? Not gonna lie, if that happens I will be really happy. 

Logan? Don't you mean Feliar? Well, I am sure Vic doesn't like him because she was probably the one who writed Feliar is a liar in a wall, but we do not know much about her so idk. 

Feliar listen to us and now we can listen to him as well, it's a big step to a relasionship. 

Jester or Scar. I don't know which one is the shapeshifter. 

The only information we have about the Father is that he is the golem's purpose and Ruben was the one who told us that, and not even he knows what would happen to the them if Father disappeared. 

I think the orcs might helps us as thanking us for helping them against the Skullbreaker Horde. Now thinking about it, the orcs probably will call us something else, like the lizards call us hero, except for Groth he probably will keep calling us by the name. 

Well, we can always ask him to help us with these theories, what do you think? They say two heads thinks better than one, maybe three heads thinks better than two. (he already is giving his thoughts and theories. Hi Just Nonsense) 

Another opinion on our theories wouldn't be a bad ideia. About Ruben being in a cult, I don't know, a cult is mentioned if you explore Mythshore. He probably would, but then he would have killed the city on purpose.

We would probably build a shipyard for Paulo since Bareshade is close to the ocean. And I already gave ideias about John's. We would know more about them pass time with both of them. 

And while Tao and Scrap are with us, maybe could have more fireworks scenes. Where Scrap would be scared while Tao would be really excited to see. 

There would have a lot of possibilities about how the chase and hide machanic could work or happen. 

Scrap woulf mostrly sewing with rose during the day, cook during the afternoon and pass the night at home. 

I mean, I don't think she would just invade our house out of nowhere and there is a possibility that she doesn't even get out of her cave, if so we could just ask her about all the entrances and secret passages aroud the caves. And about the dog/wolf protecting the door, it wouldn't be serious, it's because Korg is very insistent about his and our security. 

I think that covers everything! Anything you had doubts just ask, okay? 

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np and I love sharing theories so thanks for listening lol. now to the responses to you

I agree that Logan prolly won't want anything to do with her, but i think if she came back and seemed either repentant or like she was tricked Logan might let her be friends and if MC doesn't pursue him, she will prolly get back with him over like a VERY long time, maybe 10 years or something to build back a relationship. Also, I don't think the Alpha turned people who weren't strong or at least slightly strong physically into Werewolves, like he turned Bernard, Caleb and Logan because they seemed to be the strongest in the village, what I meant was she prolly is just there as a slut for them to fuck like crazy and eventually we can either take her away from the cave and help her recover or choose to let Logan handle that mess of a person, which he might leave her and she could continue into becoming "the goddess" I theorized about earlier. then the Alpha, thinking about it, it would make more sense to keep him close to the swamp if they got him already so yeah, it's prolly something else. what if it's scrap lol, he decided to sneak into Bareshade and now he is just random chilling around XD.

then Ruben, your idea the teacher kinda just told him to help with his projects could be interesting and has a bit of merit, they both are invested in learning and the teacher literally has an apprentice to teach his ways too (us), so it would make sense he would help someone else if he believes they or even he could learn something new. so maybe this was an attempt to gain more materials for potions or other things later? like using the infected werewolves slobber or infected werewolves' flesh/fur in a potion to recreate its enhancement effects but something else to remove the parasitic part of the swamp taking over? which could benefit Northcrest and Ruben so he could take a risk after gaining some off time from gaining assistance from another herbalist who knows nothing about this.... if that's true I'm SOO beating his ass first chance we get. I happen to be biased towards werewolves so him using us to hurt them is starting a war against a person who is FULLY willing to cheat to beat the fuck out of someone. 

and my theory on the tree is that it was either always alive but only created the swamp creatures to protect it/the swamp in case the lizard folk failed, or the nameless created it by accident with his curse of lust and now everything that has been spreading the curse to the wildlife creating unnatural things and starting to infect the living with its influence.

then the kingdom, it would be fun tbh. like imagine getting to hang out with a KING OF WEREWOLVES! then proceeding to seduce him and become a king as well via marriage. I would LOVE that, and maybe we could find out its a curse and his entire kingdom needs Antilycan (which I just realized is literally Anti Lycan.) or else it will soon fall to madness because wolf's bane is failing them. then Serena, if she really is a werewolf too and they have her still mentally broken, I wonder what would bring her back to humanity? and how she would cope with being a wolf as well, would she hate it as a reminder of her infidelity or love it as a connection to a time she felt nothing but pure bliss and pleasure?

also, I wanna beat his ass but I'm curious if he cute or not, which isn't important but like maybe corruption wouldn't be so bad if he is kinda good looking XD, however that's off topic and we will most definitely need to examine it and it will also prolly take a large part of the story to either find out how to use it, or actually use it. it is absolutely important to magical things though, why else would the nameless even try to steal it? a demon with essentially God like powers wouldn't do that for some measly relic. when we find out its true power, maybe we could even banish the Nameless and take back the other gem?

then that scene. imagining it literally makes my heart melt, the idea of Roushk walking up behind you with no fear and grabbing you looking you in the eyes and helping keep you sane while you absorb the corruption sounds heart meltingly adorable, or both him and Othra doing it by grabbing one hand and saying they are there for you. maybe even Rhot could join in by hugging you or wrapping his tail around your thigh and being all embarrassed about it or Xer walking forwards and hugging you or something I'm uncertain what his Physical signs are for affection. then Grushk too could be just chilling with his presence saying "I'm here" because again I don't know his love type either. then afterwards they could just like all check up on the herbalist and just panic, like Xer would be panicking thinking you got hurt Othra would hug you while crying being all happy and relieved you're ok and Roushk would just be standing all happy saying "my hero..." while Rhot would be resisting all his urges to run and hug you while no one else resists it at first but some back off while Othra and Xer check to see if your secretly just like dead or something.

also yeah, thinking about the length of time before those hearts, it doesn't fully make sense to have that without having a lot more Lizard content coming out asap.... 

plus, the bad ending thing makes sense if it was like Hishh but maybe since we disappear it could have a storyline where the leaders and others seek us out and if we have enough like + love from certain characters we could "wake up" in the cleansing water in a similar way to Roushk with the people who care about you holding you, or we could corrupt it/not get saved and eternally live in the second corrupted lake. 

and yeah! the Xer being a warrior cleanser with something like that could work pretty well, just needs a well added storyline where he finally makes a breakthrough in his cleansing studies.

No btw, I meant Feliar. he is HELLA suspicious, but I absolutely feel how I said about Feliar lol. which would be only changed by him committing mass murder on an entire world, Vic though I don't think she wrote the traitor thing. I don't know anyone else who would, but I don't think she did.

also, yeah Jester feels more likely because of his attitude and him attempting to befriend us when we could be a threat, you know the saying "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." (Purely because if he is a shapeshifter, he might think us a threat and try to befriend us so if he reveals it, we tell him we won't tell anyone, and he gains a REAL ally.) but at the same time, it could be Scar and that's why he is so distrustful, he doesn't want anyone finding out he isn't who he says he is. he also might be trying to keep Jester away from Northcrest and the nobles might not be as bad as we thought and its him keeping Jester away while his father is trying to find him because he knows about Scar being the shapeshifter and he thinks his son is in danger being near him.

then the Golems, I wonder if he is a LifeSource for them? maybe that crystal inside him is what keeps all of them alive?

now on Paulo and John, we might be able to convince Bernard to let us build a shipyard and maybe if John wants a custom place, we could ask Bernard to let us do it as a favor due to the hell they went through. this could also lead into Tao, where we could build a shipyard and since we helped build it maybe Tao could get a free Ferry from here to his home and we could keep him safe until the shipyard is built! and Scrap could build a house in Bareshade or if he is too anxious, he could build a house near the forest with us!

and on Vic, she feels like the "oh? privacy? I don't know what that means!" type of person is what I'm worried about lol. she is also a demon, so I doubt she has any morals against either killing or subduing our dog if he gets in her way.... and Korg even finding out we hang with her might make him dislike us because of what she did.

that also should be everything, sorry I'm Hella late in responding XD. 

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I don't think Logan is the forgiving type and even if he was it would far too long for them to have a possibility to get back. 

I mean, we are an herbalist so it's our job to help others. Even if we could just let Logan take care of this mess (or in this case, not take care) I don't think it would be the right thing to do. 

After talking with Just Nonsense I have to agree that there is a possibility that the white beast seen during the day could be the Alpha, normal wolves can be alert during the day if one of the pack is pregnant or there is some kind of danger closeby. 

That makes the two of us! No one mess with the werewolves like that. Shit, he did some fucked up experiment with them and now look what happened to them! And then making us fight them, that's just too cruel. 

If indeed was him, he is going to pay for that.