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got the sprite of an orc(?) lady in the tavern but how do you trigger Sirma/Umbra - redid all 4 forest areas to be sure but nothing new happened or do you have to start new again

Hello,

In order to trigger both Sirma and Umbra introductions, the 'Forest Area - Deep Woods' need to be entered/completed on "Story" (so while progressing through the Forest), not on "Roaming" (where it can be redone at will once completed).

Indeed, if these had already been completed, it would require going back to at least the end of the prologue.

Annie takes her position in the Tavern upon the first visit, after her dialogue with Ellanore.

so basically for all 3 three I would have to start over again?
finished the forest long time ago on that save (now in the mountains) and no talk option for the tavern just her sprite