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I know someone else did a major lore analysis on this already but because I'm rereading this after my computer crashed, I have to reread the intro, and there are still some parts I don't think I ever understood, and yet some things became so clear to me in strange ways. Plus large blocks of text are hard to read so I'll be trying to keep these short.

First, what is Nerus even doing talking back to Pyr in the prologue?

  • Theory 1: Nerus has meta-narrative powers. This doesn't necessarily fit in with the structure of the story, but both Pyr and Nerus have a connection to fire. Nerus's is in his shifting, whereas Pyr's is in the name being possibly a reference to Prometheus (as it is in Pyr, a publisher), being the Titan who delivered mortals fire, and allowed them to start technological growth. The idea of these being the same doesn't necessarily make sense seeing Nerus's distressed response to Pyr's verbal lashings.
  • Theory 2: Nerus is the meta-narrative character. This has some very interesting implications, starting with Nerus's issue with his memory possibly having wiped away his physical form after that long time in a coma. The purpose of the story being shown to him was potentially to help him create another body. This also leads neatly into another theory I have about Nomino's true intentions.
  • Theory 3 [brought up by E.Fanatic]: Pyr has time travel powers. Not improbable given how this story relies upon non-chronological storytelling in Chapter 2 (showing we can jump around the timeline), but it doesn't explain why Shax's responses didn't change in that exchange.

Speaking of Nomino's true intentions, let's talk about that for a little.

  • Theory 1: Nomino's plans were as stated, and he only intended to kill an aeon in order to get them to stop harrassing the world, or know it's possible to kill them. Boring, and honestly for Nomino, kind of under-done.
  • Theory 2: Nomino planned for Obli to open the gate the second time. This one has some interesting points to it, and makes one start to wonder how far in advance he plans.
  • Theory 3: Nomino planned for Nerus to rocket into the portal, and for Obli's rescue attempt to fail in some way or another. In the event it goes wrong, then at least one being (with admittedly spotty memory) would have escaped the onslaught of the aeons upon the universe.
  • Theory 4 [brought up by E.Fanatic]: Nomino only wants to protect Samael, and will do anything to protect (pronoun unknown -- them?) from harm; protecting the universe's creator, who is bound within the universe. It seems somewhat reasonable, but Nomino's lack of apparent action after Nerus is sent away towards Obli, again, clouds this entire debate. 

The last theory here seems the most appealing, as it's in line with Pyr's apparent wish to turn bad endings into bright futures. Were Nerus to actually be able to find his way to the archive eventually, he'd end up in the archive. Shax's out-of-time reflection on the "vessel" Nomino mentioned when he first brought up the war makes me think that it's critical to the story, and seeing we only have one thing that could be seen as a vessel at the moment (the archive) I think that Nomino had the most absolutely wild idea to save a shapeshifter by banishing them. After floating through the void, slowly forgetting, they'd be able to remember the entire world at the archive, and in that way potentially save it from death.

All of this hinges on a question we have no hints on the answers for: how much does Nomino actually know? If he knew about the archive, the plan actually seems to sound somewhat reasonable, if risky. It'd also explain why the novel is named after Nerus and not another character, since Nerus would in some form have a large impact on the meta-character who we can't identify.

I'm still in the prologue at the moment, but I will update as I finish each chapter.

(Ended up being a little longer than I thought, but theorycrafting and lore discussion is fun)

======== Prologue Completed

Alright, so in reflection there are a few more things I didn't realize at first that I'm now starting to wonder about.

I did a little bit of datamining and found some interesting stuff in the files about the dialogue and went through and read it at the same time, hence how I had that information a little earlier than might be expected.

Fortunately for me, I picked up on about 5 points of interest, let's just run down them.

  • Shax poses the question of "Would we be the same if our bodies were different?" implying a negative in response to it. This supports the theory that the meta-character is someone who we'll end up meeting in the story who ended up inside the archive, and who needs to remember themselves. Or maybe it's too late to remember themselves...
  • Nerus's meta-narrative powers. The closest thing I can analogize this to is the Homestuck Epilogues, Meat route, with Terezi. They can comment on the state of the story and talk about the narration having been shouted in their ear.
  • Pyr's sniping at Nerus. This definitely seems like someone that Nerus wronged in the past, and that Nerus has forgotten about... except where Nerus says "You weren't present for this story". This one line makes me doubt Nerus's claims that he entirely forgot Pyr.
  • What was that commentary about Seed of Fate being unfinished relating to? This is the only hole I have so far, but it's one that bothers me. I'll be watching like a hawk for any other unfinished business coming up.
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This is an interesting read! It’s nice to see other people are still thinking and creating theories about the story, and how they differ from how I see the story. (Making me feel less crazy spending so many hours trying to figure the story out.)

While reading through the theories, I can’t help but share my comments/opinions on some of them.

[Everything that is italic contains spoilers for Chapters 1 and 2.]

[What I think is really strange is how Neru, from the past, was able to talk to Pyre from the present. This can either mean that Neru has the meta-narrative powers that you mention (being able to communicate with Pyre even though Neru was just a story that the burned man has watched) or that Pyre somehow has the ability to travel through time to communicate with Neru. I lean more toward the former since it is quite similar to the events that happen during Alessia’s third dream where the ‘nun’ that Alessia was talking to is able to somehow ‘stop’ the story and had a conversation with someone who was watching the story being unfolded. But then again, it seems that Noch is able to also time-travel during the events of Chapter 2, so having Pyre travel back in time to talk to Neru is not beyond the bounds of possibility.  

For me, I don’t think Nomino’s intention was to save the Shapeshifters, instead, it is to save/help/protect ‘God.’ (This ‘God’ can be Demiurge/Samuel or Abraxas, but it’s hard to tell which one he’s referring to.) To be honest, I don’t think Nomino really cares about the world that Samuel created, and it feels like he’s using the world to further help him with his goals. Maybe I’m viewing Nomino too negatively, but I can’t help it since he caused the separation of Obli and Neru!]

Also, what is this commentary about ‘Seed of Fate’? I assume that you are talking about the book Shax was reading during his deathbed, but the book that Shax was reading was titled ‘Seed of Hate’ for me. (It might be that Roddorod has put in some differences for some people, but why would he do that?)

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Thanks for spotting the typo on "Seed of Hate", didn't notice it before!

I did some datamining on Chapter 1, and as it turns out, you can have up to 5 randomly generated dreams, each of which discuss a mysterious figure in some detail. The dream you get is picked randomly, but in case you don't wan't spoilers, I'm spacing this out by like 10 lines.

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Ok, since you're still here, spoilers it is.

  • The meta-character, from what I gathered looking at the chapter 1 file, is possibly a mysterious "Traitor" figure.
  • Alessia, or possibly the meta-character, ends the world.

The introduction of the word "traitor" narrows it down... a little, until the indistinction about who ends the world arises. We're back to square one on who it could be, but we now have a single word we might be able to associate with them.

If you've already read the story and are waiting, you have the same file if you know where to find it. No hints though! :)

But anyways, back to our new question for theorycrafting: "Who is the traitor?"

  • Theory 1: The Traitor was Nerus/Obli, from originally not dealing with each other before the first Battle of the Aeon.
    Makes sense, but it's not really existence- or personality-defying, regardless of how well it'd fit with the above theories.
  • Theory 2: The Traitor is someone who listened in on the fifth dream. (Pyr, Alessia, the meta-character)
    This is my preferred theory, and it'd be a simple solution, but the way in which the interaction took place (from my guess, two archons communicating with each other) there could be a third party.
  • Theory 3: The Traitor is someone who we know to be involved in the plot to get Nerus back. (Obli, Noch, Aloys)
    This assumes the plot to open the portal succeeds, but the world ends as a result of it. It's not implausible that the blame would fall on one of them, whichever one survives. It's hard to say which one to put my money on in terms of who it would be, though.
  • Theory 4: Going off of the above two theories, the Traitor is Noch.
    Noch is a common thread between theories 2 and 3. A second archon was listening in, possibly being the one who the first archon was talking to, and they responded. The main part that doesn't line up is the human-like psychology of the meta-character, but if Noch did risk the end of the world, mortality might have been seen as a punishment, and a strange psychology to go to it. Also, the meta-character was somewhat interested in what was going on, so...
    Plus, rodrod's profile picture is of Noch, although that's just cherry-picking; we don't know exactly who was listening in.

There's 5 different sequences that can happen during the dreams? Now I feel like I should learn how to datamine the game just to see them since I only saw 2/5. (The first dream sequence I've gotten stop showing up. Is it possible to have it been taken away? Maybe I did something weird to somehow break it (xd).)

I never considered those two meta-character from Alessia's dream to be archons! It make sense especially since one of the archons did find Noch floating around space. It also make sense for the 'nun' to be an archon since Alessia might have a connection with one. (It is possible that the mysterious figure that Alessia had a conversation with might be an archon!)

If my memory serve me right, I recall Pyre referring the burned man as a traitor. Do you think the traitor you theorize might be the burned man? (If this is the case, why would they remove their memory?)

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From what I saw while messing with the data, you only get one dream in the second sequence each time. It's weird, but I don't think I remember any of the sequences from my previous playthrough, but that might be due to the story just being so intriguing. The first dream sequence is always the same if I remember correctly.

The one that implies Noch/other archons are listening in is the "fifth" one, in which the meta-character thinks that they recognized some characters in the dream, leading me to believe that it's actually not Nerus due to issues that Nerus never met Noch. (Coincidentally, the three with the "plan" to open the portal were the only three that new Noch existed, so it also plays well into that theory.)

The traitor being the meta-character is something I'm somewhat in support of, as I didn't find any evidence against it. It just seems... strange that Noch might be it, regarding Noch's position of power as an archon; how would anyone manage to manipulate them to such a degree?
Going out on a limb, my theory on who among those three would be Aloys, due to the comment about the "black fur on my skin" when first regarding their condition. Aloys is the only one among those three who ever had skin, or fur. Obli had scales and feathers, and Noch had a membrane, but Aloys became a werewolf through training, after being a human, resulting in their experiencing both skin and fur. But the comment about burned skin being unusual also strikes me as a bit odd. I'm left to wonder if the meta-character is actually in their original body or not.

I don't think that the meta-character removed their own memory. I used to be an avid reader of SCP (which led to a minor shock when I saw the Time Egg backgrounds had the word 'scp' in their file names, and I still don't know how to interpret that information), and whenever there was a breach in information in Series 1 incident files the Foundation would almost always use amnestics to force people to forget what happened. There are also anomalies that can make you forget certain things, and it's not out of the question that their entire memory was wiped through the power of someone/something else. I doubt that it was actually Pyr who made them forget, since they seem to mostly be jeering the lack of memory rather than exploiting it.
If the theory about Pyr having some sort of time-travel ability through the use of the Time Egg is true, though, then it might actually be Pyr exploiting the meta-character's lack of memory in order to interact with the past in some way. The Time Egg is still the pause screen for the Prologue, implying that we did watch that as the meta-character, but with a confused sense of self, or a level of immersion that surpassed that of Chapter 1, due to an only-partial torpor.

This also brings back into focus the facility -- how many people are in it? One facility for one traitor seems somewhat excessive, and what exactly is it that was chasing the meta-character was running from in Chapter 1?
Also, why did the Prologue use first-person pronouns instead of third-person like Chapters 1 and 2, despite Pyr's ability to interject, and again, what are the nature of those interjections?

A final tip, this one on datamining -- it's somewhat similar to installing Minecraft mods, if you've ever done that manually. Just click on what seems like it might be right after starting from the same place, and you'll find your way there eventually. The files you want have the extension .rpy. 
Happy mining!

Wait, it is strange that the prologue and some of Chapter 1 use first-person pronouns while the rest are in third-person.