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EniliasNailo8 years ago

You kinda missed the point of what I meant. This isn't how you or people with that fetish think. The truth of the matter is that many trans women face harm and death because of simply being trans women. Because men who are infatuated with their feminine looks but faced with finding out (some way or the other) they have a penis feel like they have been tricked into being/acting gay and act with aggression. In fact, there have been actual murder cases where men who killed trans women were acquitted because of "the shock" also known as the "trans panic defense". Using a term like trap isn't harming you or me. But it reinforces the idea of "if they have a penis but dress like a girl they are a trap, a threat to your heterosexuality".

None of this is about "you shouldn't make a game about rape because rape is a crime" etc. - it is merely about harmful language. Also, a disclaimer - a respectful one - is actually a really good thing. If you tell people what is in the game (as you do on the game page), you give them the power to decide if they want to confront themselves with that or not.

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Majalis8 years ago

I'm familiar with trans panic and the general danger women who are trans face simply for being who they are, and like I said, I agree it's a slur for that reason and also the general dehumanization of reducing someone to a concept.

Yeah, what I meant with the disclaimer was - I don't really think it's sufficient just to slap a disclaimer on; not that you shouldn't put a disclaimer, but that by itself, a disclaimer isn't carte blanche to write anything and everything without regards to the consequences. We're going to try to put disclaimers where we can, and to make it clear that we're not trying to say anything hurtful about anyone.

I'm curious, did you mean to say that this isn't how I or people with that fetish think, or this isn't about how I or them think? I'll admit I was a little upset when I read the former, but reading your whole post I think you meant the latter, which I can understand - I digressed.

This is a mostly irrelevant, but the game itself is devoid of the language we're talking about here (and always was, actually), and in fact of any of the slurs you might expect to find. It was a blind spot not to recognize the previous title as being harmful, and I'm sorry about that - it was never our intention to harm anyone.

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EniliasNailo8 years ago

What I meant was basically that just because you or me aren't offended by something doesn't mean its an okay thing.

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Majalis8 years ago

Yeah, agree. My digression was mostly just in defense of the fetish itself - the language offends me also, and the only reason I used it was unthinking expedience, something along the lines of "the fetish is X, I'm making an RPG called X, I'll call it X RPG for now". A week or so before the takedown we actually had a discussion in one of our streams about the implications of the term, and what to replace it with - and really, there isn't much that doesn't also have either other negative implications, is also recognized as a slur, or isn't really accurate to the subject matter. We eventually struck on Androgyny, and as fans of androgynous figures that worked well for us, but the most common usage of the word is to denote someone of ambiguous gender, which isn't quite what we're going for, but regardless, it's leagues better than the previous title.

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