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Thank you for keeping it mainly vanilla btw, the drama as it is is the right amount, anything more and id be a wreck :D

As for how to include Sayuri. First off we gotta take care of the husband cleanly, its already been established he is barely ever home so lets just make it clear they are not in love anymore and such.

But even then, Its hard to imagine how Asami would be okay with this, or how her mom would even allow something like this to happen.

The only way I could see it not be really immersion breaking would be if, Asami somehow got into threesomes with the MC and Yasuka, growing more comfortable with the sharing part, then, when/if Noriko joins the definitely not a harem she and Noriko would get into a spat somehow about how her and Yasuka are better for the MC or something, bringing her mome into it, as someone else mentioned here.

Either that, or make it like a dream sequence, or some sort of "random" encounter that the MC will think was a dream or some such, storywise it seems rather hard to fit in.

And oh my god, I cant even imagine, if there will be specific endings for each of the girls (and I hope there will be) how Asami would stomach you breaking up with her to be with her mom :D

Thanks for your hard work and good luck.

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Vanilla is such a context dependant word, I think. I think some stuff in this game is already pretty kinky (which I like), but I guess everyone judges stuff differently. I definitely like the idea of this somehow being Asamis idea. Seems like you are also thinking along those lines. It would also be kinda nice if Sayuri would be into something the others aren't. Not sure what that should be though.


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One possible way into this is Sayuri showing unhappyness about her love situation to Asami (maybe even show jealousy). And Asami, realizing she is already sharing MC anyway, suggesting the hookup out of love for her mother. This would make the route more guild free and make Asamis personality seem more kinky. Some discussions about this between Asami and Yasuka/Noriko would make sense obviously.

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Some very interesting ideas here. If you'd let me, I'd like to elaborate further upon those. Keep in mind, these are the barebones ideas and specific dialogues or reasons as to why MC happens to listen to them could differ depending on previous choices and routes taken (Love vs Corruption). 

So, picture this. Since Noriko knows MC is doing Yasuka, but she's been shown to be a bit envious of this (in Yasuka's love route), we can infer it to make sense if Noriko could be the first one to suggest having a Threesome, as a way to try and spend more time with MC even if it is shared. Asami could also get winded up in Noriko's "Harem plan" (if you know the reference) and start having Threesomes with Noriko and MC as well, and maybe by accident discover a Noriko+Yasuka+MC situation. THEN, Asami starts wondering if it doesn't feel weird to have the mother involved, and asks upfront Noriko about it. To not let the plan fall apart, Noriko tries to convince Asami that it's normal for mothers to help their daughters with sex education or something, and that makes the seed of doubt sprout in Asami. 

At a parallel story arc, Sayuri and Yasuka also know each other and could even be on good terms (since this is a small town-city, makes sense that all the mothers meet often-ish, perhaps while buying groceries). This devolves into Sayuri asking Yasuka for help regarding one or both issues: a) how to deal with the loneliness since she takes care of Asami by herself nowadays; b) advice on making sure her daughter doesn't make mistakes with her new boyfriend/sexfriend (MC). This further devolves into Yasuka, after experiencing the Threesomes, suggesting/convincing Sayuri to try it as well, of course after talking with Asami first to see if she'd be cool with that. Since the relationship between Asami and Sayuri doesn't seem to be bad, and Asami already has the curiosity awoken in her (and also could believe that maybe this way her mother would stop trying to act all prim and proper and meddlesome), this can develop to the Asami+Sayuri+MC situation.

Of course, player agency is also important so his choices matter. When he hears about this development, he can either decide that this is not his thing, or follow two different paths, the Asami Top Sayuri Bottom Path (or DaughterDom Path) or the inverse (MotherDom Path). In DaughterDom, Asami takes the initiative to drag Sayuri into their relationship to see if that way she'd stop nagging her or if she can use this chance to establish a better power dynamic with her mother (maybe influenced by Noriko's advice). In MotherDom, Sayuri is the one that "accidentally" (or more directly) interferes in her daughter's eloping and manages to push the boundaries and take initiative, under the pretense of "teaching" or supervising that Asami and MC are doing it properly.

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I want to point out that, while I like this sort of content, it may be too kinky for the devs. In this case, please be aware that Asami suggesting the hookup between MC and Sayuri does not need to imply a threesome. You can have one without the other.

Well, a Threesome is, at its base, just an accord to have sex between three people, but how kinky it gets depends solely on the implicated parts. It could just be that they take turns, or it could imply doing it the three at the same time (without contact between the same-sex partners), or it could also be about them all having a small orgy together (implying bisexuality and incest in this case, which I agree would be kinky but I'm not sure if "too kinky" considering what other stuff there already is in the game). You can even go the extra length and have a Threesome combined with BDSM elements, the level of kinkiness is very variable and I'm sure the devs could find one that they feel comfortable with. 

That being said, I also agree that, while the idea of a Threesome is very appealing for a majority of people, it could very well not lead to it and instead just lead to a hook up, a "lending" so to speak (or "sharing", if the former word sounds too kinky), something which we already have in the game so it wouldn't be too unrealistic. 

BUT, just to be clear about something, I don't think this devs are planning to keep game purely vanilla forever. In their message, it seemed more like they were open and interested in knowing what our kinks are, so don't lose hope my friend.

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You might be right. I have no problem with the incest scenario (on the contrary) and it seems many others think the same. I still wanted to point out this could be Asamis idea without any of that. 

Im also not just gonna rattle off kinks. Requesting stuff others aren't into has a tendency to devolve into a flame war, from my experience. And while the game is reasonably vanilla right now, I don't mind that either.

That said I have seen a few games out there proudly proclaiming "no close relations" in their description. Yet containing a mother-like and sister-like figure for the MC with custom definable relationship types. Eg a default of "landlord" which a player could change to eg "mother" anyway. This made me think there might be reasons for devs to stay away from or hide incest content. 

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The reason is very simple actually. Patreon doesn't allow for creators to develop games with incest in them, so they have to hide it. I'm not sure if Steam also has issues with that, but usually the situation is that a Dev can only rely on Patreon or Subscribestar (or similars) for stable income so they need to go out of their way to comply with their unreasonable requests

Right, so thats a clear reason why a dev might not want to add that.