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Love your work ! , ... RapierJointsNoLight  says its not a valid c3p file ... 

Hmm, are you using the latest version of the addon?

Yes

Try RapierJointsMinimal, pulled out some unused code.

that works ! thanks ! be blessed ! 

tho the physics body offsets with the 3D object sometimes

The debug render is not perfect, it can be offset, but it generally shows the location.

owh cool understood, thanks loads