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hi, i just encountered games like that again which is why i want to ask, here is nothing locked behind patreon and shoevd into my face yes? The most I'm willing to do is pay here after a demo, not on Patreon.

Its the same version like on Patreon if this is your question.

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The problem with Patreon is the subscription.  I do not mind paying for a good game but I refuse to pay a monthly amount for a game not knowing when the next update will come. Sometimes you have to wait for several months and even just paying the smallest fee amounts to a pile of money. Doing that with several games will make you end up in poverty

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If you have problems with Patreon, i'm on SubscribeStar, too.
I know this problems and i can't hardly understand why some games have high patronage stacks with release times over 3 or more months. They must be AAA games. :D ;) I'm a lot of years now on Patreon and i have promised release every 4-6 weeks. And i do it in 99% of the releases. Until the last months i have release every month an update.