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The art in this game is ok. The problematic parts, that made me quit after the first sex scenes, become evident right when you start. So, first things first, we are introduced to this female-presenting character called Hazel. Just to include the stupid "boymilk" meme, she literally commits a crime and CUMS into your coffee, an act that is implied to be taking place regularly in the Cafe. In any country of this planet, that would be a giant scandal, and her life would be ruined, should it ever came to light. Apparently, the MC is retroactively ok with this, but that does NOT make it okay, even in the slightest.

The sexual harrassment continues with Hazel literally ripping your boxers off without asking, but I suppose it's ok because she's conventionally attractive and hot.

Oh, speaking of "her"; this game, despite including a Trans character, and addressing things such as gender identity, at the very least ostensibly, and being aware that trap is a, I quote, "outdated term", could not be more offensive towards Trans-people and femboys alike. Hazel is the only example of this I can cite, due to not having fully played the game: She visibly reacts positively to being referred to as a Girl and avoids referring to herself as a boy. This strongly implies her being a transfem, rather than a boy, who would insist on their male gender identity. Neither the protag, nor the narration ever dispute this, referring to them with male pronouns and even call them as a "guy", just because they possess a penis. Oh, and also, the Cafe being called an "Estro-Cafe", and Hazel, the "Femboy" literally just looking like a girl with a Penis, no visibly boy-ish traits at all, really fails to capture the whole "Femboy" thing, and looks like just another damaging mischaracterization of Femboys and Feminine Men in general. The implication is that they're on Estrogen, which you most definetly should not take unless you actually want to transition. Thank you for romantizing a damaging trend.

Then, during Sex, she refers to herself as a, I quote "sissy", and the Protag calls her a "cumdump"; that could very well be interpreted as an insult, unless you really know it's their kink. In Hazels case, we don't know upfront. They literally just met, and are already fucking.

Let's continue with the Anal Sex. Has anyone working on this game ever done Anal actively or passively? If they did, they should be aware, that it's not even close to being as simple as spreading lube over your ass and hoping for the best. Anal takes preparation, cleaning yourself etc., so unless Hazel is always perpetually prepared, just in case yet another male customer comes in that she would like to sexually harass, this doesn't make sense - oh, wait, nevermind, she claims of it to be her FIRST TIME, just so the Protag (and the Player) can have the satisfaction of taking her virginity, and of course, the Sex that follows functions perfectly despite her lack of experience and they both romantically cum at the same time, just like in my amazing H-Doujins. After that they even have the gall to say how "different" it is from porn, because you got to clean up afterwards. Kudos for the writer(s) to think about this one for more than a single second.


Anyway, I suppose if you turn your brain off, it could be erotic, or something.

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I liked it when they said bussy

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What tf is blud yapping about? ☠️

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And?

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Who hurt you that you cry a about something that happens in a ero game thats drawn? pls consult your therapist and maybe get in touch with grass and friends... my god you are a Snowflake. 

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"Uhmmm it's literally a GAME why are you critizising it THOUGH??"

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critizising a Game is one thing thats ok but you are just telling us everything that offends you and your little tiny world. Dude I saw Porns way worse in their phrasing and even my friends, who are trans, femboy etc. play that game saying "I wish someone would say/do that. Yes it is a little harsh here and there but in the end its a kink nothing more nothing less

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The tags had no mention of degradation or discriminatory language, so it's fair to criticize the parts of the game that delve into such a direction. The fact that your trans friends have no problem with slurs doesn't mean that it's not an aspect that should be criticized when it isn't declared upfront. Yes, it's a porn game, but especially because of that it'd be nice if the game properly characterized trans girls and femboys as distinct groups of people that might generally like to be referred to with the fitting terms, instead of both groups being seemingly generalized as "looks female and has a cock, time to call them a boy and refer to them as a sissy", because when it is done that way, someone who is expecting proper inclusion of trans girls (as is declared in the tags) will be disappointed when there is no respectful inclusion to be seen. Criticizing flaws that detract from the enjoyment isn't "crying and being offended", it's applying standards to a game that doesn't properly match it's advertised tags and contents and instead treats the supposedly included tags as one and the same, and in an insulting way at that. If you're into degradation and femboys you will most surely enjoy the scenes, sure, but that isn't the only advertised genre you absolute gooner who can't even entertain the idea of constructive criticism to a product

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I think the problem is that the original commenter, and maybe even you, haven't gotten to those characters yes. There are trans characters in the game. Hazel isn't one of them.

And I guess I'll tag that people talk dirty during sex? I honestly didn't think I'd have to tag that, but okay, I'll do that.

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I wouldn't call the terms "sissy" or "cumdump" as being simple dirty talk - those are just outright derogatory or even slurs, but yes it'd be nice if you tagged that.
As for Hazel not being trans - that's what wasn't conveyed properly at the point of where the first sex scene ended, both in my opinion and seemingly that of the original commenter. It's an odd choice to make him rejoice over being referred to as a girl but still being called a boy at the same time, to me at least it made me be unsure if they were meant to be a femboy or if it was a derogatory portrayal of a trans girl, and I perceived it as the latter personally.

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Yes, they are derogatory, and also, for some people (clearly not you) can be hot to say in bed. I already went ahead and tagged it.

And I feel like I do a pretty good job addressing that Hazel is a boy who likes to dress and act feminine and enjoyed the fact that the player didn't realize. He didn't rejoice, but he certainly enjoyed it. No one has had a problem in the year and a half the game has been out. I can reread it and try to make it more clear I guess?

If Hazel was supposed to be a trans girl, I would say "This is a trans girl" like when a trans character shows up later they say "I'm a trans guy, is that cool with you?" so deciding that Hazel is a derogatory portrayal of a trans girl is kind of on you, and you are free to have that interpretation, but he isn't. He is a guy.

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Yeah, I understand now, I was just explaining how the wording, for me at least, made me come to that conclusion. Clearly it's also on me for not playing further to the point where it got cleared up more, so this was moreso just meant as my perception of the first chapter in an isolated setting :) Thank you for the kind replies and I wish you success with the project!

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i dont remember seeing anyone ask the gooner for their opinion

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L+ratio+who asked+L bozo

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if you don't like the game don't play it L bozo 

also, im literally a TRANS GIRL. and nothing about this is offensive in any way.

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What you are is of no interest to me. I also literally stopped playing it after realizing I didn't like it and that it was pretty bad

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Wow, well then.

Yeah, Hazel is a dude. There are trans characters later. Hazel is a guy. A guy who likes to be feminine. He enjoys the player character's inability to be see him as a guy and rolls with it. This is addressed.

Yes, cumming in someone's coffee without their consent is bad. This is actually addressed in the game multiple times. It is not a good thing.

Hazel isn't a perfect person, no one is. He lies and goes along with things when he shouldn't. This is called a 'character flaw'. Hazel lies about a lot of things. Like being a virgin, which he can admit to the player later that he lied because it was hotter to say it.

Hazel calls himself a sissy during sex and the player rolls with it because it's clear that Hazel likes to be degraded a bit. It seems that people have taken umbrage with me not signposting that people like to dirty talk in a porn game, so I'll amend that.

Cafe Estro is a jokey name in a porn game. Please understand the genre you are engaging with. Also the name is a foreshadow for the manager who shows up later. Hazel isn't on estrogen. I believe I even talk about this in the game, but if not, I should.

Yes, I know anal sex doesn't quite work like that in real life. (I am a guy with a husband) But this is a porn game and if I were to portray anal sex realistically it wouldn't be a very fun game now would it? It's like watching a movie and asking why the characters aren't tired, or why they haven't gone to the bathroom, or where they get their ammo from, etc. Are they valid questions? Sure. But the answer is: It's a movie. You accept these things to suspend your disbelief to enjoy them. Like characters always being ready for anal sex, or cumming together romantically. It's a story.

This is a porn game. There are genre expectations that players of this genre are familiar with which is why I don't have a scene of Hazel douching prior to sex scenes.

I appreciate that you took so much time out of your day to play my game and engage with it that you decided to write this essay. But you seem to jump to a lot of conclusions and aren't willing to participate in the story being told. You want realism but don't understand that characters can lie.

If you want a 100% realistic porn game, you are never going to be truly satisfied.

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I see, thank you for elaborating and the respectful reply. Yes, me not playing to the point where the problems I mentioned are actually addressed might have skewed my view of the entire game.

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Isn't your lead artist a bigoted loser that loves and supports AI art, and defended that AI edit of the butt of an actress under the lie of "protecting against the sjw and their censorship"? Because if that's true then you're a massive loser

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Bro the only loser here is you, if you're talking about the fallout comic like I think you are bro legit explained what it was about and never mentioned anything about the AI, yet you would know that if you put in an ounce of effort before spouting nonsense. Then again, you're using the term "bigoted" unironically which says a lot more about you than the panel says about the artist. 

Also "protecting against the sjw and their censorship"? Wtf are you on about ☠️? The sentence, which we both know isn't a direct quote so this is purely something you wrote hence the quotations, makes no sense on a stand alone basis and even with context is still poorly written and makes no sense. The elaboration to the comic, if you could read And comprehend it, stated that it was a commentary on the desexualization and hence uglified art/characters in movies and games. Which is factual, look at how they massacred MJ from Spiderman 1 to 2, straight up Crimson-Chin ah look.


Tldr: You're goofy bruh. 

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Silence idiot, and that fallout thing was based on a stupid AI edit where they altered the appearance of the main actress of the Fallout show just because her "ass wasn't fat enough", the comic is still idiotic and the artist follows and supports AI

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Yeah, Kokman didn't realize the outcry was about it being AI. I know because I actually spoke to him. He also doesn't support AI and neither do I.

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Idk man, chronic victim mentality and stupidity of this degree is tough to deal with. However! .......The door is still open for suicide.

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I mean, I disagree with this person, but suicide is a bit of a massive extreme leap.

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Fair, fair enough. Maybe I went too far. 

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Wow, a piece of trash, how nice

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Wow, a walking talking abortion endorsement, how nice. (Wanna move on, possibly become friends?) 

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And yet, he follows and supports that exact account that made the fallout show AI edit, curious.... Also he's a pathetic culture war artist, even more sad

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I wouldn't care too much what the cum guzzling, chromosome deficient, living birth defect has to say. I explained it to you, yet your response was a simple, and I mean that in every meaning of the word,  "um, ackually, it means what i said and you're just stupid 🤓 ☝️" head ahh argument. You, I'll refer to you as it from now on, want to be upset about whatever because it's a pathetic individual that should have died at birth and disposed of in the proper receptacle to later become semi useful as a homeless persons snack, assuming they have no standards and don't mistake your off brand Quasimodo-clone fetus as a fetid and diseased rodent, rotted and malformed. The description of which still holds up with you currently being built like a question mark, shrimp spine, Kyphosis spokesperson, who's posture is saggier than your mamas tits you still suck the dust out of. 

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Hey bro, it's just a porn game, it's not that serious <3

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Ik, I just couldn't let the "stupid" remark slide ya know? But yeah, I'll drop it.

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bro, being bigoted and using ai art to make a joke is completely different, I'm not a supporter of ai art being just that, but what I am fine with is people using it purely for laughs or as a tool. I feel like that's an okay stance. its one many share, the only famous example that comes to mind is moist critikal but still.

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The artist is obviously bigoted and the creator of this game goes all the time in Twitter saying that he hates AI "art", and yet his lead artist defends and supports AI "art", and the "joke" was defending an incident of someone being both bigoted and a creep for using AI to edit the body of an actress just because her body "wasn't good enough for him"

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What with the lumping trans women with femboys in a game like they were the same thing? That sounds slightly transphobic I have to say

you sure like leaving these walls of yappery in a lot of itch.io games