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I've always loved this version; probably my favourite DD remake for OpenBOR. Love the new Marian character in this update!

For the previous 4.0.4 version, I actually made a private patch (for personal use, never uploaded it anywhere) that improved Linda with some sprite edits and code tweaks. With that, the original "blonde afro" DD1 Linda was a playable character choice (actually, the DD1 lady is "Linda" aka "Linda Lash" while the DD2 mohawk girl should be "Cindy", something I also changed in my mod, as well as fixing the Abobo-Bolo naming too).

It all worked really well, even the ending, however I am a now bit lost how to update my mod/patch for v5.1.1, especially with the new character select screen. Can you help?

Also or alternatively, I'd be happy to share my sprite edits if you want to make DD1 Linda an official playable character. I also made it so she can use dynamite and knives, as well as being able to performing spin kicks like DD2 Linda. For both DD1 and DD2 Linda versions, I added the ability to perform jump kicks, elbow strikes and climb sideways with more custom sprite edits. I added a bunch of palette swaps for them too.

Oh, and I also fixed Williams' sprites since a few had miscolored pixels held over from their arcade days!

Please let me know if you're able to give me a hand, or as I said, interested in using my sprites and new moves (the latter will probably need their code tweaked for the new 5.1.1 changes).

Regardless, thanks again for this awesome game!

magggas210 days ago(+1)

Thank you for liking the game, but unfortunately No.

I specifically made the select screen stuff kind of confusing and hard to edit because i’m sick of people making minor edits to the game, then changing its name and then releasing it as “their” game without even mentioning or crediting me or my game.

Your intentions might be good but the problem is i can never know, so i can’t help with that, sorry.

Banjo200 days ago (4 edits) (+1)

That's a real shame. I wanted to share my work with you and everyone else, but mainly I just wanted to be able to play as Linda from DD1, my first video game crush! :) Sure, I can keep my work locked up on my HDD but sharing is what OpenBOR should be about, IMO. I love what you've done here and you should be proud. It really is my favourite OpenBOR DD game.

If I was to distribute my "mods" (I was hoping for your inclusion honestly, so I wouldn't need to), it would be as a patch to your game that required your game, never just your game re-edited, and certainly retaining all your credits. I would never ever want to take credit for what you've done. These are community projects where people should share their work, but stealing credit is awful IMO. Too much work goes in for someone else to pretend they made it!

Sadly, there will always be thieves on the internet, but I do my bit to make sure everyone knows your mods are yours when I see them in videos and such!

Regardless, the offer still stands if you ever want my sprites and fixes to include yourself.

magggas198 days ago (3 edits) (+1)

Well, i appreciate your good intentions but that’s the thing, in OpenBOR it’s not possible for someone creating a “patch” which people can download and just “install “ it to the game themselves like you described. That’s not how OpenBOR works unfortunately.

So the only option is for the 5.1.1 version to be edited and shared allover again. With which i’m not interested on helping. And yes OpenBOR is about sharing things but that has nothing to do with it. Me helping everyone updating my game with his own personal ideas and stuff would be the craziest thing for me or any creator to do. Just think about that if you were me.

Sorry man but you can play with linda on your edited version and be happy with it. As about sharing, sure you can still share your work with me and the maybe in the future i might include some of your stuff if i’m ever gonna update the game again.
Also by the way, sharing is what i already did. I already did share my 5 years of work with this game which you were able to play and edit. So since you are all about sharing, you can also share your sprites on the chronocrash forum so other creators can use them on their dd projects. That’s an idea too.

One more last thing, people calling their own personal edits for their own taste on a game “fixes”, is the most irritating thing for most creators including me. Just saying..

Banjo196 days ago (8 edits)

I'm a mod maker myself, so I get your frustrations, mate.

When I say a "patch", I mean actually that. A literal patch difference file made with something like xdelta that requires the player to download your game, and my "patch" file, and then run an executable that "combines" the two on their own computer. Think of how NES romhacks work. It's how many folks get around modding commercial games where there is no existing mod tools so we don't have to distribute the whole game illegally. With a patch like this, you're not redistributing edited versions of the game. It makes the player do an extra step and is more work for the modder, but it doesn't step on toes of creators by redistributing their entire games.

I also appreciate how busy you are, and have managed to figure out most of the issues I was having myself. I was only asking, and certainly don't expect you to help every modder who asks.

The last point, the only time I said "fix" was involving an actual error in the original DD sprites (red around Williams' face), not something you did, and the fact that Abobo is named differently. Obviously personal choice stuff like changing a special move or adding ED-209 like someone else did isn't a "fix"! LOL!

magggas196 days ago

Okay i got you before about the literal patch you meant, but that’s what i tried to explain about it. With OpenBOR games you can’t do that like you described with xdelta or whatever. To me something like that would be cool actually and i wouldn’t mind it but that’s not possible as far as i know. But just in case there’s some compatible software out there that can do that, i have no idea of how. That’s up to you to try and find it out, i have no problem with that.

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