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Nerus

A mystery and romance tale spanning through many eras. Watch as this world's tragedies and secrets are unveiled. · By roddio

Nerus 0.4 General Discussion Locked

A topic by roddio created Feb 28, 2021 Views: 863 Replies: 7
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This is your designated location for talking about Nerus 0.4. Thoughts, theories, criticism, thirsting. Just keep it tasteful and civil.

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Slowly beginning to believe Aloys is a red herring... For one of the mysteries (ᶠʳᵃⁿᵏ ᵐᶦᵍʰᵗ ⁿᵒᵗ ᵇᵉ ᵗʰᵒᵘᵍʰ),.

The gloves plot point, however, is pretty suspicious.

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For this update and 0.3 I felt I was so engulfed in Chapter 1 that I missed quite a bit in the prologue. I'm fairly certain I started a second read back in 0.3 but never finished it again.

This was added back in 0.3 but I finally found the connective tissue between Chapter 1 and the Prologue. It outright confirms a theory I had about Alessia basically from the start. Now I wait for the a similar revelation about Bitey. I got more excited than I needed to when I saw Shax mention logic puzzles, mysteries. and straight up crime fiction. He's baby Bitey. I want to believe.

Other fun discoveries in the prologue this time around include:

this silly bit also confirmed my Alessia theory like 20 lines earlier lmao
This entire backlog.
Which Admittedly was also in 0.3. I no longer have my copy of 0.2 so I can't verify if this was added in the last two updates or not.

As for Chapter 1 the new sprites help.
Bitey and Bernardo have a much more palpable dynamic from their first interaction which I don't recall from 0.3. It could also be other aspects of the presentation, I don't remember there being such goofy detective music during that scene.

I'm admittedly bad at mysteries but I'm holding to my theory regarding the only sprited human abbot as culprit. Admittedly there might be a line which brings his motivations into question early in chapter 1 but as I said I'm bad at mysteries. Although now that I think about it I do feel another character's alibi might be difficult to definitively confirm.

Not that I think this necessarily helps confirm a new readers' theories or even serves as a good redherring but it would be nice having some confirmation as to which church some of the other abbots belong to. On my last re-read of Chapter 1 (I read from the update till the end, then all of it in its entirety so far) I found myself toying with the idea of the other abbots as accomplices and using the loosely defined connections between certain churches (Smed and Noch, Temp and Cnaw, Erde and Fyre) as a possible motive. I remember trying to figure out which abbot might belong to which church based off the order and description of the sculptures of the Seven when Bitey and Alessia enter the scriptorium.

Oh, the flashback to the prologue in the middle of Chapter One. This is perhaps taking some of the hidden messages in the backlog as literal, when I should be approaching them with more skepticism. Its possible that conversation could have taken place during the battle against the angels rather than before. If Neru Magus(?)'s editorializing is to be taken at face value, that isn't completely out of the realm of possibility.

This update was incredibly fun with lots more fuel to create obviously incorrect theories about.
I look forward to my upcoming most painful re-read where I open the backlog after every single line of dialogue expecting more hidden messages. I get the feeling this mechanic will return eventually.
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-----  SPOILERS AHEAD ------ 

Alright theory time for chapter 1

So for the motive, thanks to my little grey cell I came up with the conclusion the abbots are one way or another helping demons appear to not lose ground in the world and make money, frog guy let us know financially not much is going their way yet the boat stop before reaching the church island let us know demons are appearing too close to the church and they make big money of it, the documents may prove this activity and clearly would be important enough for the abbots to risk their lives over it.
Now for the murders I'm leaning toward Remigio since he's the one person the guards don't have any issues with seeing out at night so with him being the murderer both ben and santiago testimonies for night 1 hold since the murder happens past midnight aloys testimony still hold and only give him an alibi up to midnight.

Second murder he may have stolen Santiago's master key and tipped the victim about the safe location at the same time he gave them the master key, obviously I'm also having to say he stole the 2 church keys on top, one for himself to enter from the church main entrance and to swap with the master key post redrum and the other to make it look like no master keys were used ( my assumption would be he might know of it since he's been at the abbey for so long, and as he claims, everyone's gramps so one of the confidant may have told him someday )

Murder 3 I think his way to get into the abbots room is by baiting with books !I think that because him and aloys train at the library, he'd likely know about the fact that oscar gets books delivered to him, he may even be the one that prepared the package and intentionally didn't provide all the books on the list to have a way in Oscar's room. The fact that the missing book hasn't been found yet lead me to believe he is still in possession of the files and may be trying to keep the remainings abbots at the abbey longer.

And now for my last bullet, Octavio Spiner

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Ok so beware of the big wall of text incoming

Whodunnit: Frank

Whydunnit:

William's card said "The sun's light falls upon all of us equally" "Soar too high and you will burn". It seems the culprit is punishing and blackmailing the abbots for their corrupt business of demon hunting (like Pongy said in the post above).

The culprit was also possibly getting groomed by William and he ended up finding out about that secret business of them through this relationship. 

There's some weird thing going  on between the temple of Noch and Smed, why do all of the monks that end up going there (the ones we know so far) have a story of being converted into werewolves, vampires or being groomed into becoming one (Remigio)? How did Frank get here in the first place if they were interested in Aloys in the first place? I think all of this is pointing that there are things we don't know about Frank's application for the church of Smed. The story tells us at some point that (besides Remigio) Aloys and Frank are the only Noch monks working there.

I also want to mention that the scene where they are luring Lucusti out with Alessia's catnip-poison-thingy made Frank very suspicious IMO. We are there expecting for Lucusti to appear but we get a very curious Frank first. It made me think of the possibility of Frank being a undercover descendant? I don't really know how far could their powers go or if they have similar powers to shapeshifters. We could also assume the possibility of someone being half-descendant? Maybe he found a hard truth that he didn't want to know?

Howdunnit:

I don't believe that Santiago lost his keys before Giorgio's murder. I can totally picture that he's still lying to make his mistake less severe. As we've seen so far he's clearly someone very proud and grumpy. He knew there was possibly a murder crime going on but he'd rather play dumb instead of acknowledging that he lost his master keys and taint his image. At the moment of Giorgio's dead he had no other choice but to confess that his keys were stolen, but he lies about the moment he lost them to avoid making it seem like a bigger issue. There's no reason for Santiago to commit the murders as we saw that the abbot's inner-circle doesn't want their past secrets revealed and they fear that this information comes out somehow once William is death (Especially with those documents going around).

Even if Santiago lost his keys right before Giorgio's dead, it is still possible to commit the first murder if the whole "Frank getting groomed by William" thing is true as he'd have a way to get into his room for the first murder anyways.

So with that aside. It'd go like this:

Santiago has the habit of lending his keys to Remigio because they are friends. At some point Frank stole the keys from Remigio or found an excuse to make Aloys steal them. This way Frank has easy access to most rooms where the murders are committed. Santiago and Remigio were hiding the fact that those keys were lost.

1st murder: 

Since Frank is getting groomed by William, he went into his room and when William gave him his back he striked. Then he started the fire, went back to his room with Aloys (who was already sleeping so didn't notice him arriving) and pretended he never left in the first place. Then they got called into helping with the fire and he made sure with his own water abilities to avoid the church getting burned (which has William's study). This last bit would be important in the next murder.

I want to mention it is important the fact that the first murder had a fire started. Only the culprit that knows he could avoid excess damage with his own water abilities would think that starting a fire is a good idea.

2nd murder:

Frank stole the church keys at Amelia's office when her apprentice was out. He took two to make the illusion of the culprit not having the master keys. Since he knows he has Santiago's master keys and he knows that he'd rather not say he lost them, he makes use of this to broaden the suspects.  He sent one of the documents along with a church key to Giorgio, this would imply that there were more there and that if he wanted to get rid of them he'd have to go get them himself.

The night Giorgio died he went to Brandeis cell first to discuss the issue and he possibly gave him the document he received (this is why this was never found). Then went to his cell and pretended to go sleep. None of the hunters saw him leave his room, as stated by Leila, because Giorgio left through the window. Then he got into the church with the key he got sent and since it was dark, he got killed without possibly knowing who the culprit was. Frank had an encounter with Bitey but managed to escape without revealing his identity.

3rd murder:

Ok so for this one the whole book thing is important and the window clues are there to deceive us into thinking Remigio could easily be the culprit (especially if you sum the whole Santiago's stolen keys thing). We know Frank spends a lot of time in the library and that he also works at the scriptorium, so he could be the person who prepared the books.  Out of all the characters presented in the story the only two we know work at the scriptorium are Aloys and Frank. The culprit purposely gave Leila 5 instead of the 6 requested so he then had an excuse to go there himself with the extra book. Once there, since Oscar was possibly distracted reading his book, he simply asked to put the 6th book on his desk or something while ignoring Frank and that's how he got easily killed. Then Frank set up the scene to make it seem someone entered through the window and then he left through the door. Since Frank's appearance isn't weird for the hunters, and they found Oscar dead with the window open  and with all the fake clues, they didn’t suspect Frank.

Of course I think if the detectives get to interrogate the hunters that were guarding Oscar better in 0.5 all of this could change. The only information we got was from Bernando and Leila.


I may reply to this message later to add some extra points that made me think why Frank could be the culprit or at the very least an important accomplice.

I agree.

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Some random thoughts:
- At some point in 0.4 Bitey gets to know that Frank didn't mention anything about Aloys going out at night because they are friends and he's used to covering him every time he leaves at night. I think it's very likely Aloys would at the very least do the same for his friend, avoid mentioning that he leaves the room at night sometimes, to make up for the favors. This would explain why Aloys never mentions anything about Frank leaving at night

- Frank is one of the characters that could easily slip through night without Ben noticing at least who he is. Ben is able to recognize that some things are going on outside his room but he can only confirm if it's Santiago or not, since they live very close and he's used to hearing him after his night shift. But for Frank it'd be a different story since he lives in the monks dormitory. Ben says "From both the detectives and Giorgio sneaking around, to the hunters doing their shifts and monks being rowdy in their cells". This means that there's enough activity outside (even at the monks' cells) for him to make out what's going on around there. The other character that would leave at night without Ben noticing would be Aloys, but I think we can all agree at this point he's not the culprit. Then we have Remigio but to me him being the culprit would make all the murders very easy for him to commit and it wouldn't make much sense.

- If Remigio's testimony is true, then Frank fits the "human face" description. He also may fit the clue of the dark hair found in Oscar's room.

- Even though we don't know what connection there is between Frank and Remigio, we know that they do same a connection through Aloys. This means that there's plenty of scenarios for him to steal Santiago's borrowed keys from Remigio.

- I don't think the whole book thing for the 3rd murder would be irrelevant and that the only answer is just Remigio went through the window, killed him and left. The whole window clue has to be a red herring.

- I already mentioned in the main post but Frank may have something related with the descendants. Since he got attracted to Alessia's potion aswell, which was meant for Lucusti in the first place.

- I think by now Bitey is suspecting Frank. Besided the descendant-luring potion we also have that last scene in 0.5 where he gets asked about one of his previous cases and he especifically picks Alessia's first case. Possibly to find a reaction on Frank or Aloys, since he finds some similarities between both cases.

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