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What's the best way to play indie TTRPGs online?

A topic by Mushrooms created Feb 23, 2022 Views: 1,585 Replies: 4
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Let's address the elephant in the room first. Yes, I do know Roll20 exists. If Roll20 met my needs, I wouldn't be asking.

My friends and I recently started playing Wanderhome over TTS since there is a very good mod for it. However, that mod is pretty laggy and one of our players has ping over 150 at all times. (Because we're in America and she's in Europe, the joys of peer-2-peer...) We'll stick with this for as long as it's the best option, but I'm here looking for suggestions on other methods that might be less inconsistent.

As well, I would love to introduce my friends to games like Quiet Year and Cozy Town. Has anyone played a mapmaking system online? How did you do it? I need something that not only shows a shared whiteboard, but also the live results of dice and cards.

The final thing I want to ask is, well, probably a bit of a stretch, but I may as well try. Is there a way to play a TTRPG online that does not require everyone buying the sourcebooks? It's really difficult to get my friends into new systems that don't have SRDs or (good) playkits, and few indie systems really have any method of testing at all. This is pretty much the only reason I continue to use Roll20 at all besides its character sheets sometimes being blessed with automation, but most of the systems that interest me aren't on Roll20 and don't even have character sheets there. Is there some TTRPG equivalent of Parsec I could use, that lets people look through my copies of a PDF without having to give them the books?

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Honestly, that last one doesn't feel like that much of a stretch. The other stuff actually feels trickier in some ways. PDFs are, by definition, portable, and I can't think of a single actually indie game designer (I don't include relatively large middle-market companies like Monte Cook games and White Wolf in that assessment) who will fault you for simply buying their game once, and literally emailing the PDF to the other members of your group. It's kind of an honor system, with the understanding that there's a big difference between violating our intellectual property rights (this usually involves selling the game without our permission or distributing it via a download link for whoever stumbles on it to pirate with impunity) and simply using the product in a manner consistent with common sense usability and convenience. 

If you were playing in person, you wouldn't each buy a separate copy of the rulebook to reference (at least not normally) - you'd likely buy one, and keep it on the table for everyone's use. Especially these days, now that in-person meetings are inaccessible for a literal overwhelming majority of people for various apocalyptic and dystopian reasons, it would be unreasonable of me to demand you buy 5 copies of the same game for the purpose of one campaign or even a one shot. Heck, as much as I find Monte Cook Games' 100 dollar PDFs to be an inaccessible, gatekeepy, and overall kind of gross move (like one step from turning a game into an NFT or something) masquerading as "praxis," even they argue that the exorbitant price tag will be worth because they figure that multiple people will pool their cash and buy and share their product together. 

There are also plenty of indie games, including most of my own, that offer limited but regularly refreshed pool of community copies, specifically on itch.io, which you can download for free, no questions asked, honor system and all that. They are meant for people experiencing poverty or marginalized people in general, but I don't mind if someone occasionally grabs one just to demo a game, with the hope that they will eventually "return it" to the pool by buying a paid copy (most community copy pools add new copies every time a certain number of people buy a game at full price). 

So yeah, a PDF and your friends' email addresses are all you need for something like that.

As for actual Roll20 alternatives, unfortunately it's less cut and dry. Personally, I think many traditional "big name" games are barely designed to be played smoothly in person, let alone online, so no matter which service you choose, you're still not only wrestling with the tedium of keeping track of all the numbers and grid positions or whatnot, but also constantly having to deal with tech issues borne from that fact that you are likely using at least three different but interconnected platforms and technologies all at the same time. The latter kind of screws with me most, and makes me reluctant to play online, just because I am so tired of players getting cut off during an important story beat, and us not realizing that this happened until five minutes later, or them still having audio output but no input, so they keep talking for 10 minutes before they realize that everyone isn't being really rude but just aren't hearing them, and so on. But this is the world we live in, so it's really part of the bargain until the technology itself improves sufficiently (which I am not optimistic about - I kind of think we're close to hitting diminishing returns). 

Currently, the only things I can think of are exactly the same that you'd get by googling "roll20 competitors" and checking on the first page of result. I haven't tried all of them, but I imagine they all have their strengths and weaknesses and none are perfect all of the time for any one person. Is the lag on the connection end or the voice client's end? If the latter, you can always try using a different service for voice while still using TTS.

At this point, I am personally hesitant to play anything online if it can't simply be played in a discord room without additional software running. 

I know most indies don't mind this. I would've just liked a better option that didn't make me feel gross...

As for the others... The current offerings in "roll20 alternative" aren't really what I'm looking for. What I've tried in the past is using Owlbear Rodeo for maps, but I really just wish I had some online repo for peoples' character sheets, since most indie systems come with editable PDFs. Being able to upload those somewhere where everyone has access and edit them as we like, instead of having to send screenshots of them through Discord, would be amazing...

Having said that, after looking for such an option, I cannot find out, so maybe it isn't as simple as I assumed it might be...

The other thing I'd like to have is some way to actually draw collectively online for mapmaking games. While there are many options for this, there don't seem to be as many options for drawing cards from a deck live with other players besides using a random generator I found and screensharing on Discord. This takes away some tactility from the act though...

The problem with r20's alternatives, at least for me, is that they are considerably more complex than what I need, and sometimes equally front-loaded with bad tutorials as roll20 is. Learning my way around in r20 is overwhelming, and I feel the same way about Astral... Plus, their actual drawing functions (for mapmaking games) is about as good as Tabletop Sim's. (Which is to say, not good at all.)

I've never played tabletop games IRL. I just don't know that many people outside the internet, and none of my friends live near me so I have little choice, but I do know people who do play D&D offline and they make it sound considerably smoother even if you sacrifice QoL I consider pretty necessary. (Having to hand-write things sounds like a nightmare. I can't read my own handwriting...)

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Hi, you can play story games and PbtA on jasoncordova’s Gauntlet. It’s easy you just need to book a table 2 months in advance. Waitlisting beats all. https://www.gauntlet-rpg.com/

In practice, you’ll need an USB webcam+mic (I use the mic only), a friendly discord channel, a miro board or google doc. It’s all I use and it works fine. I found players on discord servers, watching out a long time bfore picking my dream team table. This first step was the hardest.

Take care!

Hi, Your question got me curious and I found a good friendly server on Discord, it’s NSR: https://discord.gg/VMjUmQvr MAybe we’ll see each other there!