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A topic by Sorrel created Feb 05, 2024 Views: 291 Replies: 10
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If a proper filtering and exclusion system is not going to be implemented, then maybe a compromise can be made. There is a deluge of visual novels on the platform, more than enough to warrant its own category similar to how "Games", "Game Assets", and "Comics" can all be separately searched and viewed. This might help reduce the chokehold they have over the itch.io library and reduce the site algorithm's ability to show you nothing but visual novels because you made the mistake of clicking on five of them without realizing what they were.

Of course, my main preference would be for an actual tag-filtering system that isn't the minuscule single exclusion that users have to manually add to the url. But given how many suggestions have been made across multiple years with little to no feedback whatsoever, it seems that site ownership has no interest in that.

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There are less than 27K visual novels on itch.io, out of almost 900K games. Three percent of titles have a "chokehold" on itch.io now? Might as well make a separate category for horror too, because that's the other thing everyone complains about. Guess those aren't games anymore, just because some people don't like them. And are you sure it's okay to assume what people can do, or why they didn't?

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I would make horror a genre ;-)

But since  genres are also tags, that would not change anything.

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A negative filtering system would alleviate the problems people have had with itch.io over the years wrt to finding the games they want to play and are interested in seeing. I never said they're not games, only that I would like to be able to filter them out as well as filtering out horror games at the same time. As it stands, I can only filter one at a time and my content feed tends to filled with the other because of their high popularity in recent months. I was merely offering a more out of the box suggestion because requests for a filter system seem to receive little apparent consideration from administration. If you are tired of seeing these suggestions, then maybe it would be best for administration to address that it will/will not ever be a feature. 

Maybe it will be implemented. There are some changes in the making, but it was not said what exactly. Probably, so they do not promise too much.

One prolbem is, that games are not tagged rigorosly and by any common standard, since each developer tags their own game. Or not.

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But that's just it. To find the games you want to play, shouldn't you search for what you want to play, instead of trying to avoid the rest? That's how the search system on itch.io is designed: to let you include tags. And it works very well. Many people find my games that way.

You're right, visual novels and horror games are very popular, so they tend to cluster in the first few pages of results. But again, they represent 3% and 5% respectively of the 900K games currently on itch.io (we've passed the 900K mark since a few days ago). if all you want is to exclude those, all you have to do is click through to page 3 of results or so. But are you really interested in all other kinds of games? Because if you're not, it's easier to look only at the tags you want.

Sure, you might have to run several searches that way. But I doubt you were going to find many games you like by looking at "everything but visual novels and horror". Since, you know, that would be 830K remaining titles.

Usually you just select a genre or any other tag not commonly associated with visual novels and have what you want. A list of non vn games.

But if you select something like story-rich, well, that is what vn are. But you will not find many vn among the platformers.

Yes, I understand that on principal. However, I've found that whenever i select a tag I am interested in (not story-rich, as that was something I assumed would bring up word-heavy games in the first place) that isn't explicitly an action genre tag like "platformer" or "bullet-hell", I tend to see a lot of visual novels anyway. And when I do filter out specifically "visual-novel", I instead see many horror games that I am not interested in. But, if I filter "horror", then the same thing happens in reverse.

How do I put this.

If you browse for a tag and all you see is visual novels, then, well, then this tag is obviously very popular for visual novels.

Of the ~900k games on itch, only 26k are tagged visual novel. There are 130k platformers. And only 350 games combining those two.

On the itch landing page, the two most popular tags are horror and visual novel. What does this mean? It means that developers that want to tag their game with popular tags might chose those tags, if they apply even remotely.

And it means, that the top of the popular browse will be populated with lots of those games. It should thin out a bit on the following pages.

You could also try the recent pages. But beware, lots of malware there. Be suspicous of "new" games. Use sandboxing (the itch app can set this up). The current filtering of itch is either broken or hopelessly overloaded, so there are still dozens of games getting through. They are uploaded on hacked accounts, so not even payment active is a green flag.

Yes, I understood what you meant. However, it isn't really my fault if game elements I enjoy are frequently paired with two ultra-popular tag categories, even when they barely apply. You mention this problem in your own third paragraph. I'm interested in games featuring anthropomorphic characters, for example, but looking up "Furry" + "Platformer" while excluding "Erotic" still nets me a lot of porn games because "erotic" doesn't cover related subtags like "NSFW", "Adult", or "18+". For every cute game like Fech the Ferret or Inukari, I see over ten other games that are fetish content or outright nsfw. If I could just exclude all adult content tags, I'd be a lot happier with my results.

I haven't really noticed a malware problem because I don't download most of the games I see, because most of the games I see up-front don't interest me. I have noticed a lot of rather cookie-cutter looking games, but I just figured it was the latest horror game / anime game / whatever other style trend. Game dev is easy to get into now, which is both a great thing and a terrible thing lol.

Go to your settings and uncheck ( ) Show content marked as adult in search & browse.

And consider not using furry to search for cute animals. The problem in general is, that attributes about the main character are not commonly tagged. Furry does not even exist as a tag on Steam. Look at the 400+ game tagged sonic on itch. Most of them feature a certain Hedgehog. But only 2 of them are tagged furry. And in this context, most people that do care to tag attributes about the character do not use "furry" to talk about cute anthro animal heroes. 

Look at a popular game, Backpack Hero.

Genre Role Playing, Card Game, Strategy

Tags 2D, Cute, Deck Building, Dungeon Crawler, Pixel Art, Roguelike, Roguelite, Turn-based

No mention, none at all, that all the characers are anthropomorphic animals.

I guess it is just so very common to see talking animals acting like humans. Just look at all the animation movies. Or comics with talking ducks and mice. And of course video games. You would not label those items as "furry".

Maybe start at "cute" and scroll till you see hairs. Look at examples and note what tags are used.