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I had almost forgot about orbitals applying on hit effects so they do scale with vampire, but to be honest I haven’t actually those on hit effects work with ice, static, and lava (I’ve used orbit quite a lot so maybe a glitch?). I still believe its a great card overall throughout the game, the point i was trying to make was that you just cant over rely on it. And you dont really need that much bullet speed for orbital to be OP, you can focus on adding orbs or just adding orbital damage and that works just as fine if not better (by the time you get max bullet speed its already late game and most things can tank that). By endless turtles i think you mean purple right? well at least in my experience if your already having a hard time killing the turtles that only makes assassin better as it kills them under a certain point (also for me it seem to bypass their armor for regular-red turtles). I will admit at max armor shredder does get rid of the armor but thats at max. of course its gonna be OP late game, the problem is that it takes a ridiculous amount of upgrades to get to that point and said upgrades are invaluable early-mid game. If you focus on armor shredding it will kill you early-mid game and i cant think of another card (besides maybe blue flame/crit?) that does that. Assassin on the other hand is good mid game, easy to upgrade, and also becomes OP late game. Once fully upgraded it becomes so OP that armor shredder is just obsolete. Since you are favoring late game in your comment; Armor shredder at least takes 1 shot to take off the armor of turtles and then you can attack. Meanwhile assassin can attack from the get go and insta-kills below half health. Although if your claim about it working with electric is true (I haven’t heard of that) then that might change things a bit late-game but early-mid game is a different story. It’s not hard to see which is the better card overall. Of course max Armor shredder with electric is better but there is no way you’re upgrading armor shredder to max and electric enough in a regular game without dying (which makes it only viable in endless mode). This is supposed to be a guide for beating the game not really for endless mode as you can just grab every upgrade at that point making a guide useless in the first place.

TL:DR Armor is still worse, orbit is still op

Correction, assassin armor pierce only gives incorrect amounts at earlier percentages, probably due to rounding if I had to guess. At 100% it goes through all armor, assassin is absolutely better. But as for orbital, I’ve had it do an amazing job at activating vampire ice and static. Lava, however, is an on land effect, meaning that it only activates with regular attacks, burst, multicast, etc. This is almost absolutely because of orbital, as otherwise it’d instantly form an impenetrable barrier of lava. The reason I focus so much on late game, though, is because I don’t tend to struggle with early/mid game, so long as I don’t get really unlucky with dice, but by all means that’s where orbital shines and armor shred sucks.

Stacking bullet speed is very valuable in the mid game though, as with high bullet speed, orbitals can make you effectively invincible with enough damage. So long as you target large slimes (or red caterpillars when necessary) before they reach your orbs, nothing can really get through it. Also bullet speed is just useful, as it causes you to lose less bullets when you switch targets and helps with red caterpillars which are otherwise too fast.

TBH I made the comment about orbital not knowing you could target enemies by clicking 😅. Orbital card is still overpowered for those reasons you listed above, i dont know if you thought i was trying to discredit it or anything, its still an amazing card by itself. The reason i say you dont need insane bullet speed to use orbital is that if you focus on adding small flames and damage its practically better than upgrading bullet speed. Its up to you personally whether you want to upgrade small flames themselves for them to be stronger or if you want to upgrade bullet speed (it’ll be weaker but better for you overall because of slimes and caterpillars). I’d say bullet speed is better to upgrade if your focusing on multiple cards, but if your focusing on orbital upgrade those corresponding cards first. Also you really shouldn’t run Armor shredder or assassin early game because those enemies dont really have armor (also i haven’t been effected by that assassin armor glitch) and assassin at lower percentages is still better than armor shredder at lower percentages.

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Don’t get me wrong, the armor glitch isn’t significant in any way. It’s just that at 95% armor pierce you’re only piercing, like, 80%. And all I was doing with orbs was trying to give more examples of why it’s so good