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KIRBY199815 hours ago(+2)(-3)

Without proper evidence? The guy literally has an audio recording falsely accusing a guy of graping kabs simply cause they didint want to pay rent https://youtu.be/yj7OMXGctEI?feature=shared

among so many other things saved crap with literally HUNDREDS of examples of evidence in the 20 years hes been breaking the law https://youtu.be/Oli97qUDnQE?feature=shared

Kiba Snowpaw7 hours ago(-1)

KIRBY1998, let’s examine these claims carefully. While you insist that an audio recording and “hundreds of examples” over 20 years prove a pattern of criminal behavior, serious allegations require more than isolated media snippets or anecdotal evidence. Here are some points to consider:

1. The Need for Verified Context:
An audio clip—like the one you mentioned—must be analyzed in full context. Without knowing when, where, and under what circumstances it was recorded, it’s impossible to assess its true meaning. Relying on one selective clip, especially when it’s being used to suggest a criminal act such as falsely accusing someone of “graping kabs,” isn’t sufficient evidence. The chain of custody and corroboration by independent sources is critical for claims of this magnitude.

2. Documentation Over Decades:
Claiming there are “hundreds of examples” over 20 years sounds dramatic, but without clear, organized, and independently verified documentation, such assertions remain unsubstantiated. If there were a longstanding pattern of illegal behavior, one would expect to see it reflected in public records or formal investigations—not just a collection of posts or videos shared online.

3. Independent Verification and Credibility:
Serious allegations, especially those involving abuse or misconduct, should be confirmed through proper channels such as legal investigations or reputable media reporting. Without this level of independent verification, the evidence you’re referring to remains anecdotal. It’s important that we hold all claims to a high evidentiary standard to avoid the pitfalls of recycled misinformation.

4. The Risk of Misinterpretation:
Even if parts of an audio recording suggest troubling behavior, misinterpretation is always a possibility without full disclosure of the circumstances. Jumping to conclusions without considering alternative explanations only fuels toxic discourse. We must be cautious about labeling behavior with terms as severe as “pedophilia” or criminal abuse without incontrovertible proof.

5. Moving Toward Constructive Discourse:
If you truly believe there is a pattern of criminal behavior, presenting a coherent, comprehensive set of verifiable evidence would be far more constructive than sporadically linking to isolated clips. It’s not enough to rely on passion or selective presentation; robust claims demand transparent, corroborated data.

In summary, while exposing unethical or abusive behavior is crucial, doing so requires that we rely on rigorous, verifiable evidence rather than uncontextualized media snippets and unverified claims. Until such evidence is provided and scrutinized through proper channels, these assertions remain highly questionable. Let’s aim to elevate the discussion by insisting on transparency and accountability—not just repetition of unproven allegations.

KIRBY19986 hours ago

lets see timeline when they moved in with bleakly by jason himself here u go https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8409818/

after the fake grape allegations went on for like a month and bleakly got attacked by their fans making him go into hiding when they tried to dox him if u ACTUALLY watched this https://youtu.be/yj7OMXGctEI?feature=shared and went too 16:58 more information on specific timelines for that fake grape claim as they CONSTANTLY bring it up this vid has screenshots videos and u can even find links as well such as kiwifarms a website notorious for evidence gathering by the mass majority people links screenshots videos etc https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jason-grant-jasonafex-jasonafexfa-amorous-and-his-girlfriend-kabier-kaitlyn-layne-kelley.33985/ and again MOSTLY COME FROM THEIR OWN POSTS

Once again people like kerothewolf who had videos of him smashing the corpses of animals and hypnotist sapphos admitting and even encouraging zoophilia and grooming have yet to be put behind bars despite openly their admitting to it we can discuss more when u feel ready for it

Kiba Snowpaw59 minutes ago (1 edit)

Below is a single, consolidated reply that addresses both the board meeting Video and the “Tumultuous Tale of Jasonafex” video you referenced. It explains why neither piece of evidence supports the “fake grape” narrative or other severe claims you’ve made.

1. The Board Meeting Video

A. Focus on Internal Policy, Not Criminal Allegations

The board meeting Video primarily discusses moderation decisions, financial procedures, and internal governance—not proof of fabricated assault claims.
The conversation revolves around how and why certain individuals were removed from a Discord server and whether convention funds were used appropriately. These are internal policy matters, not legal determinations of guilt or innocence for any alleged crime.

B. Wife’s Responsibility vs. Jason and Kate

Within that Video, Fox (the speaker) blames Jason and Kate for engaging in explicit behavior near his daughter. However, it also becomes clear that the wife was the homeowner (or co-resident in charge) and had primary responsibility to manage her household.
Even if guests behave inappropriately, legal or moral responsibility typically falls on the person who controls the environment—especially if a minor is involved. No official legal action was taken against Jason or Kate regarding these claims, further undermining the idea that the board meeting proves they committed any crime.

C. No Admission of “Fake Grape”

The video does not show Jason or Kate admitting they fabricated any assault. Instead, it shows Fox accusing them of endangering his daughter, and them being removed from events as an “emergency moderation measure.”
There is no point where anyone says, “We lied about assault,” or, “We made it up.” Without such an admission or a verified legal ruling, you cannot conclude the assault claims were “fake.”

2. The “Tumultuous Tale of Jasonafex” Video

A. No “Fake Grape” Evidence at 16:58

You repeatedly reference the timestamp 16:58, but at that moment, the video simply shows Kabier’s tweets from December 2017, where she mentions feeling unsafe and stepping away from social media.
Nothing in that segment provides concrete evidence of a fabricated assault claim. The tweets only confirm some conflict occurred; they do not establish any “fake grape” confession.

B. The Screenshot at 17:02

At 17:02, the screenshot is Kabier’s Twitter post, saying she’s taking a break due to “events that unfolded.”
Again, this does not prove Jason or Kabier lied about assault. It’s simply Kabier indicating distress and asking for time off social media.

C. Overall Content Is Commentary, Not Legal Proof

Lanza’s video covers a wide range of internet drama and controversies surrounding Jasonafex—underpayment of workers, grooming allegations, disputes with roommates, etc.
Despite citing screenshots, audio clips, and KiwiFarms threads, the video does not provide independently verified documentation (like police reports or court findings) that any alleged assault was fabricated.

D. Leaked Audio =/= Admission of Faking Assault

Around the 25–30 minute mark, the video discusses an audio leak of Kabier and Jason threatening a roommate (Bleakly) with assault charges if he didn’t comply with their demands.
While the clip does show toxic, manipulative behavior—threatening to file a report is not the same as admitting you invented a crime. There is no statement like, “We made it all up.”

E. No Official Verification or Legal Conclusion

If Jason and Kabier truly fabricated assault, you’d expect a legal investigation or court ruling concluding they lied. The video shows no such documentation.
KiwiFarms, while known for aggregating information, is not a legal authority. User posts, screenshots, and out-of-context audio can be compelling, but they are not conclusive proof without independent verification.

3. Other Extreme Cases (Kero the Wolf, Hypnotist Sapphos, etc.)

You cite other furries (Kero the Wolf, Hypnotist Sapphos) who faced disturbing allegations (bestiality, grooming).
These separate controversies do not strengthen your “fake grape” claim against Jason and Kabier. Each case must be judged on its own evidence; referencing unrelated individuals does not automatically prove Jason and Kabier lied about assault.

4. Key Takeaways

Board Meeting Video
- Focuses on internal con policies and removing guests, not proving any assault was “faked.”
- The homeowner (Fox’s wife) bears primary responsibility for what occurred in her house, and no legal action was pursued against Jason or Kate.
Lanza’s YouTube Video
- Primarily commentary on drama and controversies.
- No verified documentation (police reports, court findings) proving Jason/Kabier fabricated a crime.
- No admission from Jason/Kabier saying, “We lied about assault.”
No Official Evidence of “Fake Grape”
- Threats to file charges do not equal a confession of lying.
- Tweets/screenshots at 16:58 and 17:02 show Kabier’s emotional state, not a hoax admission.
- KiwiFarms threads and user-driven compilations are not legal proof.
Overall Conclusion
- While these sources illustrate manipulative behavior, online disputes, and questionable ethics, they do not prove any sexual assault was fabricated.
- Unless you produce official documents or a direct, verified confession from Jason/Kabier stating they faked the assault, your claim remains unsubstantiated.

In short, neither the board meeting video nor the “Tumultuous Tale of Jasonafex” video confirms any “fake grape” admission or establishes that Jason/Kabier invented assault allegations. They highlight interpersonal drama and possibly unethical conduct, but not conclusive evidence of a false assault claim.

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