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Massive, Major Spoilers for other routes and later into the game...

The thing possessing Chase isn't actually Samuel, it's more of a twisted facsimile of him. An Echo (!), if you will. It's strongly implied in Jenna's route that the real Samuel survived the events of The Smoke Room in 1915, and returned to Echo only to be run over by Sidney's father and Janice, the coyote that works in the diner when they were much younger. From there I theorise the spirit that poses as Samuel latches onto Sidney's father, then onto Sidney, and finally onto Chase.

Or maybe I'm thinking too much about it and want Samuel to have a happy ending because I like him so much more than Chase.

Naoky River4 years ago (1 edit)

Omg I finished TJ route and I can't believe what Chase and TJ had done with Sydney, from what I get it there is like two spirits? I liked your theory but it seems like there is two entities, one is supposed to be Samuel and other the curse that there is in Echo, because if you think carefully and see some details in TJ's rote like the format of the words, it seems there is a evil thing "helping" Chase solve his problems telling him to kill Flynn and everything end right and while that happens there is a conversation with other word style saying things like this is a cycle, we're puppets trying to make him notices that he's being manipulated, but at the same time I think Chase is a bad person with this curse messing his mind or not because it never mentioned him regretting what he's done with Sydney he doesn't feel even a bit bad for it and I thought TJ was good at the beginning but he just looked everything happen and pretended again nothing happened. I think the curse of Echo just make their personalities and wishes more intense making they do these things, like Leo's route he clearly was obsessed with Chase and his jealousy just getting worse as time passed, and the bad end of this route just makes everything more clear, in my opinion there isn't happy end but you got it right lol, maybe I change my opinion as I do the other routes but with everything I know until now I have this theory in mind...

Edit: I was remembering what happened and the evil entity could be a twisted version of Sydney as well, they are like a vengeful spirit, his business was with Chase and his friends so he would make them go crazy, and the twisted version of Samuel don't have anything to do with them so he would be more aware of the situation and try to make Chase fix things and break these cicles of tragedy and revenge, there are some points that don't make sense but I guess it's kind of what's happening, and don't worry I want Samuel to have a good ending as much as you do ;)

OceanViolets4 years ago

Theres one separate entity that is a force over the town, manipulating people. These people die and become wraiths, shadows of their former selves and are the more....specific entities. The burned creature for example(that Jenna mentions seeing and is seen when they ride in the van in multiple routes) is a specific character. We know who it is. And their actions line up. There is a "boss" so to speak, tormenting people on a very general level, assumidly to feed on their misery or fear or whatever. We MIGHT have seen said boss in Flynn's route, but thats up to interpretation. Depending on that, we have at least 3 known and named entities in the Burned Man(Flynn's route), Chase's shadow(Possibly? End of Leo's route/the Smoke Room prequel for context), and possibly Sydney(again, Flynn's route).

Naoky River4 years ago

Ohhh that's some important information, I need to play the other routes to know everything better, I don't know what to think about the Burned Man thought 🤔 it's the thing that crashed the car and made everyone fell into the lake in Leo's route right? In the end of his route I first thought that shadow was Sydney but that wasn't making sense, like he was just watching Chase making bad choices, making Leo go crazy and enjoying this madness but I agree that's probably Chase's shadow there, the way he is afraid of his reflection of his form, he even mentioned seeing a dark form just like him watching right? And until where I know that's the only route this happens soo... No wait the mirror thing happens in TJ's route lol, but he's afraid of something that looks like him this I remember, I wonder if there's a way to beat this boss, a way to set everyone's soul free, maybe breaking the cycle? It would be great to have a Echo 2 with all the answers we are seeking for, but I feel like this isn't what the creators want to do, I guess this story is more interpretation style letting the players have their conclusions of what's happening and discuss like how we are doing now you know lol, and they would have to make an ending canon which it wouldn't be cool right what I think it's cool about this game is how each route is different in some ways from another and each one has a completely different story or ending, even the feelings that they bring with the events you know that's amazing or they could make more routes according to the one we choose in the first one, it is a lot of work to do so I don't think it would be possible maybe?

OceanViolets4 years ago

You also see chase's shadow in Jenna's route, in honest to god one of the scariest fucking things in the entire game.

Naoky River4 years ago

Thanks for the warning my goodness I get scared pretty easily lol, for the comments and the description I didn't think the game has any kind of jumpscare but there are some moments... Well better to not let the guard down.

OceanViolets4 years ago

I wont spoil it, Ill just say that when Chase, Jenna, and Leo are together in the hotel room alone, something happens. Its not a jumpscare, its not flashing or loud or anything like that. Something comes on the screen, and its not sudden or even really startling. But it is genuinely one of the most disturbing things despite how simple it is. Actual proper horror, not cheap hollywood yelling BOO and making you jump type stuff.

Naoky River4 years ago

I got it and I am really hyped for this part now, it's a great kind of horror, it's something made to mess with your psychological you know let you with affliction of what's going on what's going to happen, it's really difficult to do it and this game does that a lot better than those hollywood movies as you said, in the cellphone ringing part I was already like omg something will already happen and the route hasn't even started properly lmao, best horror ever.

Res Darkspark4 years ago

If you want "real" horror in a furry VN, download and install the game Second Chance, find a specific scene... and die unhappily afterwards. Well, no, but I compared it to A Serbian Film, the truest horror there is. Echo is almost mild, if you were to put the two against each other, no joke.

#Don'tEverWatchThatShit! (I haven't and I won't)

The rest of the game is really great however...

Naoky River4 years ago

Kkkkk thanks for the warning, I'll search a bit about it, I have been playing other VN from the same creators of Echo and omg all of their histories involve you so much emotionally they are pros at it, and it's pretty common the protagonist kicks a guy on that part in their histories lol it's almost a meme

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