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Yearnfulys2 years ago(+2)

Herbert is dead.

Sorry, hook sentence. He’s not actually dead. Well, as far as we know…

Before I go any further I just want to say that I've only read the routes of GIl, Lars, and Parker. And have skimmed through the episodes of Gil, Lars (special too), and Mark. Meaning I do not have all of the necessary information of the story, so please correct me if any of the assumptions I have made are wrong (they probably are).

The reason I bring up the idea of Herbert's death is because of the insinuations that he is in fact dead. He’s not ever physically seen besides in flashbacks, and has not talked to Walter directly (besides Herbert saying he’s busy over the phone to Walter when his dad called Walter). Also Walter's dad said that Herbert is dead but then quickly said he was joking. Apparently it’s an inside joke they have going on but I believe there’s more to it (although I may be looking too deep).

Walter could have accidentally killed Herbert in the so-called “Incident” we know of but I believe this isn’t too accurate as to the fact that everybody in his life is acting far too casually. Unless everyone is just VERY dedicated to not let Walter know anything. Herbert is most likely alive and just has a distant relationship with Walter but the MASSIVE amount of information in Lars day 9 tells me that they have more than just a distant relationship. I obviously won't get into it because it’s Patreon only content as of right now, but boy was I ASTRONOMICALLY SHOCKED when I read the update. There is also the fact that Walter and Herbert could be the same person or possibly got switched? But that's really unclear. It still seems like a pretty valid question to ask, especially since they are identical twins.

Of course there's other big questions such as,

“Why are people coming after Walter?”

“What does Walter’s pendant mean?”

“Why are family names such as Learnard and McGrath so important”

“Why are strangers like Tora and Andrew so WEIRD???”

“What’s up with the house that Lars squatted by?”

“Did Gil and Walter’s dad (Edgar) have sex?!?!?!”

“Why is everyone so damn inconspicuous?!”

“AND WHY THE HELL WALTER DOESN’T QUESTION ANY OF IT?!?!?!?!”

Sorry, that was a lot of questions. And hopefully they will be answered in due time BECAUSE THEY KEEP ME UP AT NIGHT. But all in all I believe that the question of the “Incident” and Walters relationship with Herbert is the most important.

Anyways, if you’re still here, thanks.

Also, any and all comments building upon the fascinating lore of AFCL would be appreciated!

lance6542 years ago(+1)

Gil and Parker also have many doubts about their relationship:

Why does Parker declare that he and Gil are best friends without considering the relationship between Lars and Gil?

Why does Parker look a little depressed when he says that his relationship with Gil is not as close as Lars × Gil?

Why did Parker tell Gil not to manage his diet and fitness, but Parker insisted on managing Gil's sexual behavior?

Why should Parker get involved in the private life of the ＂Lars × Gil＂lovers？

Why does Parker want to go over and see what Gil is doing when he knows that Lars and Gil live together?

Why did Gil say that Parker was trying to prevent himself from making the same wrong decision? What wrong decisions did Gil make before? What was the wrong decision?

Yearnfulys2 years ago(+1)

I mainly think it's jealousy but the "Wrong decision" thing kinda makes me think theres more to it...

lance6542 years ago (3 edits) (+1)

Jealousy? The game story doesn't seem to directly reflect Parker's jealousy. In fact, In Lars Day4, Parker will complain to Walter about Gil touch him from time to time.I think interfering in the private life of Lars × Gil couple because of jealousy will cause great contradictions, but their daily relationship doesn't look so bad.

Yearnfulys2 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

Then it probably has to do with the "Wrong decision" thing cause if he's not jealous then what else could it possibly be?

Overall it's a very complex confusing situation.

lance6542 years ago(+1)

If it's jealousy, why would Parker mind Gil touching him? More importantly, Parker also complained to Walter that Gil touched him.

About this same wrong decision, did Gil do something to hurt Parker before?

Yearnfulys2 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

Gil possibly could've done something to hurt Parker but their relationship seems fine? I mean he's very flirtatious and touchy so I could see why one would be upset if in a romantic relationship with him (referring to why GIl and Lars could have possibly broken up for). Other than that I honestly have no clue what he could have done sexually that would have damaged any of his relationships. I mean there's some pretty hard evidence that Gil is in fact a virgin. So unless that information is wrong everything just seems very cloudy.

lance6542 years ago (2 edits) (+1)

Gil is very flightous and touchy, but he can't touch anyone. After Lars and Gil broke up, it was certain that Gil still touched Walter(often) and Parker(sometimes). Not sure if Gil had sex with Talbot on Lars Day9, maybe we can get more information on Parker Day9. According to Herbert's words to Anders, Gil and Edgar I tend to have sexual relations, but I'm not sure.

If Gil and Parker haven't happened in the past, it's hard to explain why Parker intervened in "Lars × Gil＂couple private life. It seems too hasty to conclude that Parker is a good man and a good friend.

May I ask if there is any conclusive evidence that Gil is still a virgin?Have Lars and Gil never had sex?

growliere2 years ago(+2)

What Herbert says about Gil is that he has quite the reputation and is someone to stay away from, doesn't imply Edgar specifically. This could easily be referring to the rumors about Gil being inappropriate with his students rather than anything to do with Edgar. we know Walter was an adult when Gil started touching him, but Gil may have been falsely accused of touching a minor, and maybe Herbert believes it

Lars is there when Gil says he's a virgin and his response is "....wow". If they had slept together I think he would've reacted differently.

Most of the server seems to think Gil meant that the same bad decision would be getting back with Lars but I'm not sure. Gil does say he asked for Parker to stop him, and that Parker means well.

Yearnfulys2 years ago(+1)

I believe you're probably right about the rumors of Gil and possibly the bad decision. But didn't GIl or Edgar have AFCLs version of Grindr? Like didn’t Walter or someone else recognize the ringtone? (I don’t exactly remember when or where I saw this so correct me if I am wrong)

lance6542 years ago

I'm not sure. Maybe what Gil said is true or not. I think even the best friends should not intervene in the affairs of couple. This should be left to the couple to solve by themselves. I don't think Parker is a good man who has no brain to help others. Gil asked Parker to stop him while dating Lars, which was too strange.

lance6542 years ago (2 edits)

I don't know how Gil treats Parker, but Gil seems to have started touching Parker very early, but Gil is not the kind of person that all men he will touch. When Walter was surprised that Gil had never touched Parker, Parker's answer was very unnatural. He summarized the reason as Gil's strong hormone secretion, which seemed like a lie. But from Gil episode, we can know that Gil used to be a pure person, which is a little contradictory.

When Gil touched Walter in high school, maybe Parker had left. But when Parker came to haywell, Gil began to treat Parker as before. Although Gil asked Parker to stop Gil's sexual behavior, Gil would still touch Parker and make some sexy jokes with Parker.

Yearnfulys2 years ago (1 edit) (+2)

I got these screenshots from another post, these are what made me believe that Gil is most likely a virgin (although he might not be)

lance6542 years ago

Gil should only touch the people he likes. I don't understand why Gil doesn't like Parker and still touches Parker. Lars and Gil used to be lovers. Gil should not like Parker.

Gil began to touch Parker very early, at least four or five years ago, but Gil later became a couple with Lars. After Lars and Gil broke up and Parker came to haywell, Gil began to touch Parker again.I think Gil has no reason to touch Parker again. After Parker expressed disgust, he should stop his behavior, but Gil didn't. I think Gil may be a little disrespectful to Parker.

And don't forget Gil asked Parker to stop his bad behavior, but Gil still touched Parker and made some sexy jokes. Can you answer this question?

growliere2 years ago(+3)

As mentioned in Gil day 7 and shown in Episode Anders, Herbert was Anders' classmate in elementary school in Highwell while Walter was homeschooled, and they met again in high school. He appears in Episode Anders. Edgar asking Walter if he wanted to talk to Herbert wouldn't make sense if he was dead.

The twin switch idea is weird. Yeah in Parker's route there's that dream, and Gil thinks Herbert got sick more often when Walter remembers the opposite. But that seems to contradict Parker having fond memories of himself Gil and Lars taking care of one of the kids in the friend group who got sick often, which can't be Herbert since Gil only met him once or twice. And Walter having a dream memory about the rice ball story in Parker's route also goes against the switch idea to me. If they switched, he wouldn't have the real Walter's memories. Lars and Parker both say Walter hasn't changed at all, and Herbert is said and shown to have an opposite personality. If they switched, would he really be able to act exactly like Walter?

Yearnfulys2 years ago (2 edits) (+1)

As I said before, Herbert is most likely alive with a distant relationship with Walter. But if you’ve read Lars day 9 there is a heap of information that can definitely lead to a lot more conclusions about their relationship and the possible “Incident”. I definitely believe that Herbert was involved in said incident because of the information in Lars day 9. I believe that the “Incident” could’ve been a mistake that Walter made because of the constant guilt he feels in his flashbacks (although he might just feel guilty for no reason).

I’m just mostly questioning why they are distant and if it relates to the “Incident”.

Other than that I believe you’re right.

Berek072 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

Herbert is dead.

Maybe the real Walter is dead and Herbet took his place. :(

To get back to your Therory: Reminds me of Persona 5 Royal Sumire Yoshizawa. Walter's Action in his Childhood cause his Twinbrother death, deleloping sort of schizophrenia or divided personality as defense mechanism. This would be the easiest explanation for Walter being joyful, clumsy, forgetful most of the time just to switch into boiled up super aggression + don't-care-about-people-and-consequenzes when being triggerd by a bully or Mark's careless jokes.