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For this one I felt a bit like a new commander, just out of Commander school and thrown into combat, forced to evaluate everything taught in textbooks, to pick out what matters on the battle field. The real challenge here is separating what you need to know from what you don't need to know. There are so many different sensors with so many different affects on so many different units it can be overwhelming, but once you reduce the list just to the elements which are relevant for this scenario, it slowly becomes comprehendible. Not easy mind you.. I took me a few play throughs to eke out a minor victory, and many restarts before I figured out all the bad ideas, and finally developed a fairly solid strategy. I was pleased to find the AI of some of the units seemingly intelligent - the migs seem to behave a bit like a swarm of bees.. I could lead them alone, and they seemed happy to protect their objective, but as soon as I tried to eliminate them, they became unpredictable, costing me a couple wins even as I started feeling experienced..
This was the first naval hex game of this collection that I committed to completing, I imagine some of the skills I picked up will be transferable to the other naval games, so looking forward to trying those out too.

Nice work!

africacrossgames2 years ago

Thanks for the feed back. Incredibly helpful as always.

You are right, there are a LOT of things to keep track of in this game. Visualizing sensor ranges and probabilities has been a constant challenge throughout the development process. The newest version of this game has a few tweaks that should help a bit. Enemy weapons cards now show up 100% of the time, so you can get a better sense of enemy capabilities. There is now also a box that gives you the detection probability for each hex. Just click on the hex, and you will see the probability of detection for each unit.

Hopefully, these changes reduce the learning curve a bit. At the end of the day, modern naval combat is complicated.

Thanks for playing.

subtext2 years ago

Glad it's helpful! I'll add that the challenge of decoding the abbreviations and separating the signal from the noise was definitely a part of the appeal to playing this.. Here are the notes that helped me develop the intuition to arrive at a solution:

Mi-14PL (Helicopter)     
  E     Electronic Warfare          Air + Surface     
  M     Magnetic Anomaly Detector   Undersea (50% if right on top of) 
Skinny Rocket    NASMS surface-to-air     
  P      Phased Array Radar         Air (r6) Surface (100, 100) 
Drone              TB2 UAV     
  O     Optical Sensors             Surface/Mobile (50, 25, 16)  
Air base     
  T     Na(T)o Intelligence         Undersea (15% all over)

Thanks for making these games! I really don't play a lot of games these days, but there's something particularly unique about what you're creating here.. Probably it's the degree of depth, and the way in which the games pull their details from reality - so learning about the game is also learning about details from the world, which feels more worthwhile than just learning best strategies for beating a normal game.

I'll also say, these are the first Hex based games dealing with this scale (zoomed out to the level of nationstate) I've played .. I'd be curious to hear about games that inspire you that you'd recommend. Thanks!

africacrossgames2 years ago(+1)

Old school table top war games :)

If you are looking for a good computer game that accurately simulates modern naval combat, Harpoon is probably your best bet. There may be newer and better alternatives out there. Harpoon is a real time strategy game, which is probably the best way to really understand naval warfare. I do not really know of any turn-based, hex-based naval combat video games. This is sort of why we built this game engine. The great thing about Harpoon was the hyper realistic sensor models for things like radar, sonar, and electronic intelligence. We have tried to do a bit of that here, but in a turn based / hex based game engine.

Of course, there are lots of really good hex based/turn based modern naval warfare board games out there. One issue with board games is that you cannot really do a lot with sensors. This is where video games have the edge.

Trying to have the best of both worlds.

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