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Very nice looking game! Art, UI Design (maybe the font a bit hard to read), SFX and Music were also very pleasing. The trajectories were helpful as long as there were not to many of them displayed (e.g. if the ship started spinning...). How did you realize this in Godot? Via the draw routine or Line2D?

Unfortunately, I could not get very far, since the turning mechanic was way to sensitive for me. After the first turn, it was impossible to stop the ship from spinning (either I would undershoot or overshoot the rotation I wanted; even with a extremely short key press, I could not make fine enough adjustments). This made it extremely hard to aim for e. g. the brown planet.

A note about technical stuff: The game is not playable with Chromium 107.X (it did not even load). Firefox 106.X and later worked fine, but the game could not be set to full-screen mode. I understand that this might be a design choice or due to the way how Godot Export -> itch.io web game import handles this (personal experience). On smaller screens, this wastes a lot of screen real estate and makes the game harder to play (your in-built zoom functionality reduces the problem though). Additionally, the support for larger screen resolutions (e. g. 1440p) can cause issues in that scenario if one uses Godot in 2D Mode (do not ask how I know... you could check my Honest Jam IV entry and HonestDan's stream...).

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moralywrong1 year ago

Hi. Thanks for trying it!

Regarding the trajcetories, the sourcecode is written in C# but if you want to take a look at it you can find it here https://github.com/Heartstop/SpaceExplorer/blob/master/Scripts/Actor/Trajectory.cs

TLDR is that we implemented gravity force and used the same code to predict were the ship was going to be in the future :)

One of the things that we failed to do was telegraph to the player that after their first and second upgrade, they can zoom out more. It sounds from your difficulties that maybe you tried to aim for the Icons instead of the planets? Correct me if im wrong :)

Thanks for letting us know that the game didnt load for you... I am on Chromium 108 and it works for me but maybe its safer to upload a executable to be sure that the game can be played.

Thank again!

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dsacre1 year ago

Thank you for linking the source code. It is very interesting how you did that!

If you mean by icons the "home" icon or "brown dot" for the brown planet, than yes. But neither that nor the zoom was necessarily my problem: Even with the shortest press of the "A" or "D" button, the ship started to spin uncontrollable. Counteracting this with pressing the opposite button did not help, because one would overshoot.

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moralywrong1 year ago (2 edits)

How strange. Most feedback i have gotten has told me that the sensitivity of the rotation is to slow/sluggish. Were you perhaps playing with timewarp without being aware of it? If you press T the time goes 5x faster but its harder to manuever like that. ( The current timewarp speed is displayed in the bottom right corner )

There is a VOD of another jam contributator playing the game https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1677028317?t=00h43m30s
If the issue was not time warp, would mind having a quick peek at the vod and tell me if the experience looked simular or totally different to your? I would love to know if there is maybe a bug causing your experience.
Thanks in advance!

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dsacre1 year ago

I watched the video; this is not like what I experienced: He is able to stabilize the rocket more easily.

After some investigation, I cannot guarantee that the problem is not related to my hardware (which is not very powerful). I tried it a few times and every time the experience was slightly different; sometimes better, sometimes worse. Perhaps it takes to long to process the key presses, which are than interpreted incorrectly as a consequence.

I tried playing with and without timewarp on; it made no difference. I could easily spin the rocket in both modes unintentionally .

In my opinion, it is not a bug in your game; more likely that the system dependent input latency plays an important role here. Perhaps a way for the user to adjust the acceleration combined with limiting the maximum rotation speed as well as a different ease-in ease-out design would prevent this problem. This could also solve the complaints about being to sluggish.

I had a similar problem with my last Godot game: I got a lot of complaints that my main character would be way to slow. Partly, this was intentionally and by design. But after watching the streamer's footage, I realized that my game behaved quite sluggish on his system (even though his setup was way more powerful than mine).

If I may ask: On which operating system did you run your Chromium? Because for the testing, I was using the Manjaro flavored Chromium build under Manjaro/Archlinux. I had this issue with my last game that on some operating systems, it would run with Chromium and on others (with the identical Chromium version) it would not.

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moralywrong1 year ago

Thanks again for taking your time to test.

I had only been trying on Windows until now. I have manjaro on a different drive so i booted it up and tried both Chromium 108 and Firefox 107. Firefox was laggy as all hell for me but Chromium worked more or less than expected. Why would they perform differently i dont understand but ill see if i can upload a windows and linux executable tommorow. Thanks again!

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philipborg1 year ago (1 edit)

Regarding the performance, it's way better on the desktop version as we actually get more than one CPU thread which matters in this game. If @moralywrong hasn't uploaded desktop builds when I get off work I will.

I personally run and developed everything using EndeavorOS (Arch basically) and it ran fine for me using latest Firefox Developer Edition (can't recall exact version). Though I have a pretty beefy computer. I will try ungoogled chromium as well after work out of interest.

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dsacre1 year ago (1 edit)

Thank you very much for your many efforts. Now I am more than tempted to check out Endeavor OS, because the desktop build refused to start at all... Seems to be an issue with the Manjaro flavored mono build (unfortunately not the first time I encounter this)... It still could be the old hardware though; but if Manjaro refuses to open it on my Threadripper machine...

For completeness (I am no C#/Mono Expert), here is the error log:

Unhandled Exception:

System.TypeInitializationException: The type initializer for 'System.Random' threw an exception. ---> System.TypeInitializationException: The type initializer for 'Sys' threw an exception. ---> System.DllNotFoundException: System.Native assembly:<unknown assembly> type:<unknown type> member:(null)

at (wrapper managed-to-native) Interop+Sys.LChflagsCanSetHiddenFlag()

at Interop+Sys..cctor () [0x00000] in <02071a39c8a34187bdd1f58e4be38764>:0 --- End of inner exception stack trace ---

at Interop.GetRandomBytes (System.Byte* buffer, System.Int32 length) [0x00000] in <02071a39c8a34187bdd1f58e4be38764>:0 at System.Random.GenerateGlobalSeed () [0x00000] in <02071a39c8a34187bdd1f58e4be38764>:0 at System.Random..cctor () [0x00000] in <02071a39c8a34187bdd1f58e4be38764>:0 --- End of inner exception stack trace ---

at SpaceExplorer.Scripts.Actor.Player..ctor () [0x00036] in <b6760ce72c3f4c88bbc4c0268582e59c>:0

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philipborg1 year ago

I made a new build that was built for, from and by Linux. :) Maybe works better as I used what I think may be a more appropriate export configuration.

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philipborg1 year ago

Regarding Manjaro vs EndeavorOS. Everyone will run the distro of their preference, but I can say I personally switched from Manjaro to EndeavorOS and I am not looking back. ;) So many fewer issues with all AUR packages. Kind of miss pamac, which while is possible to install is not really recommended. But `paru` works suprisingly well for all repository/AUR packages. :) Just snap/flatpak it doesn't manage like pamac can, but I rarely use them so it's fine.

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dsacre1 year ago(+1)

Thank you very much for the new build. Now it runs natively, no problem. The input lag is way better now!
The game is now actually playable on my weak old laptop :-)

Good to hear that you have success with EndeavorOS and AUR: Good AUR support is vital for me, since a lot of the software I use is built directly from AUR. I use some Flatpacks (e.g. OBS), because Manjaro Community Editions did not work or had missing features, so will be interesting to see if I would even need them with EndeavorOS... Definitely will try it in a VM before committing to it, but EndeavorOS might also be a good alternative for me. I am really tired of having to reinstall software after almost each Manjaro Update and not always succeeding in doing so...

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