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Cranky Virgin1 year ago (1 edit) (+5)(-11)

I didn't talk about you. I talked about MY OWN feelings and how the choice of pronouns makes me feel in the story. Yes, I'm a bit disturbed that after choosing feminine pronouns, I still continue to feel like a gender-neutral person/being ("being" is just a synonym for "person" so calm your sh!t).
I think it would be the same for you if you chose "they/them" pronouns and other characters were treating you like a lady, for example.
And you're wrong about the mc not having a specific gender. Perhaps you skipped biology classes or forgot which pronouns refer to which gender?
It is logical that a person who identifies themselves as a man chooses masculine pronouns, and a person who identifies themselves as a woman chooses feminine pronouns. And the one who considers themselves nb choses "they/them".
All other combinations just don't make sense.

Why, for example, would a person who identifies himself as a man choose feminine pronouns? To confuse others? What would be the point of this?

kay1 year ago (1 edit) (+10)(-5)

lmao no people can use whatever pronouns they want despite how they present themselves, gender is not defined by pronouns you moron. there are no f*cking points in what pronouns you’re using besides it feeling comfortable for you.

you aren’t choosing mcs gender you’re choosing how others refer to you in the game. and if the main character in the story was a woman (as they usually are in dating sims) i would not be complaining about it because then the game wasn’t meant for me to put myself into that character. it is a different thing with characters which gender isn’t relevant in the story and isn’t specified, because it allows both nbs and other genders to put themselves into without any restriction. gender neutrality isn’t about invalidating YOUR gender identity its about allowing as many different gender identifying people to have a game where they can play as a character that doesn’t have standard gender roles pushed into them.

(also being and person aren’t synonyms, while being a person does imply that you’re a being, calling someone a being doesn’t necessarily mean that the being is a person, this is just a very insensitive wording and yes i am indeed offended by it whenever you meant it well or not)

Cranky Virgin1 year ago (2 edits) (+5)(-11)

Well, I see that all your arguments boil down to aggression and the imposition of your personal opinion in an insulting manner.
I expressed my opinion to the developers, to which I had the right. You can identify yourself as a bus, a bug or an alien, for all I care. Do whatever you feel comfortable. But I don't understand why you care so much about how I feel about my identity and my comfort in the game?

I personally believe that if a person asks to be addressed with female pronouns, then this person wants to be identified as a woman. I see it logical. Point.
And I can't care less whether you feel insulted or not by me using the word "being" as a synonym. I know what I meant when I used that word.
Being, creature, individual, person e t.c. are synonyms whether you like it or not :) I'm not your psychologist to listen to you whining about how you came across a word on the Internet that you thought was insensitive. Grow up.
End of the conversation.

kay1 year ago(+3)(-6)

lmao your logic is just wrong then

Cranky Virgin1 year ago(+3)(-7)

Who are you to decide which logic is right and which logic is wrong?

kay1 year ago (1 edit) (+4)(-1)

i’m literally telling there are people that don’t use the “logical” pronouns to their gender identity (even literally me, i present feminine despite my identity as an agender person), yet you dismiss it because it apparently doesn’t fit into your logic. i’m not saying you’re wrong because i disagree with you but because there are literally breathing living humans that don’t follow. gender and pronouns aren’t the same thing, they aren’t synonyms and don’t imply each other. and even if someone is female and uses she/her that does not mean that they must present feminine either, so forcing feminine description in the game would not only be very time consuming and unnecessary but also pushing those stereotypes of feminine girls, masculine boys and neutral nbs. and if so many games also have the same “problem” with not tying gender to the pronouns you can choose from then maybe it just makes more sense to do that.

A Rook stares1 year ago(+2)

Hey you two let's just calm down and just agree to disagree ^^

There is no point for getting mad because of some stranger's different pov.

Plus i don't think the comment option is here to argue and being rude to each other.

So let's just take a few breaths

(Sorry for tagging you specifically ani but you were the last comment that responded to this argument)

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