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Ponydragon1 year ago(+11)

How dare you bring an argument with logic and  statistic in a   discussion about lgbt!

But yeah, interesting   idea. How many   of the top listers   are tagged in a way that you can find them easily. Or rather, distinguish them from stuff that would not interest you.

Though optional   content or possibilities are an interesting subject.   There are games where the mc and interactions are   freely choseable. This is more like a life simulator. Does this even qualify as "gay",    just because you could play it that way.   Even play it exclusivly that way.    Would you search for something like that with a gay or with a straight tag? Well, I would not tag it gay, as it's focus is not. It's focus would be simulation and lewdness and customizablity. But this is my opinion,  since there are no user tags, we are at the mercy of the dev, what tags are given.

As long as we do not have user suggested tags, tag filtering is rather moot anyways. You  need to rely on tagging by the dev. And let's face it. They will have a different opinion about the tags of their game, than the players. I liked that example about the different lgbt tags. Will you find yuri, if you search for lesbian, but the dev did not tag  gratiously?  Is yuri even lesbian or is it specifically  lesbian in a  romantic way that may or may not be sexual and should have anime style graphics.... ;-)

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lonelysaturn1 year ago(+2)

I never said logic cant be used in the conversation. You're literally assuming that I'm against logical arguments because I'm queer. Anyways, all I said was lgbtq+ content isn't that difficult to avoid. Just look at games more carefully dude

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Ponydragon1 year ago(+6)

You do realize, that you do prove my point, that I made as a joke? Your two responses show that    you take it emotionally, instead of responding to the   points raised. You try to shift it from complaining about the available content filter options to   people hating on  specific content. We just do not want to waste our time sifting through the description of a game to find out, that it would not interest us after all. 

The discussion at that point was about being able to identify   the content that interests you or rather, that does not interest you. Within the scope of what is currently doable on the platform. Like tags and  short descriptions including screenshots, like the stuff that pops up when you mouse over a game. xlksk tried to  do that to a random slice of games selected by their popularity   and  results were not really  satisfying.

And what you assume is, that I do not play lgbt games, my dear furry looking friend ;-)  

So what does a tag really say?   Imho, not really much, and I do not really use them much to find games, because of how unreliable the tagging is.

I do not like kinetic novels for example, the tagging for that is ... lacking. Similar problems, I have to read very carefully to distinguish some "visual novels" from kinetic novels. Some devs do tag that, some do not.

If your main focus of the game is actually content aimed at people that like gay/trans/furry/ntr whatever content, you do not hide that. You want to be recognised by your target audience. If your "existing " gayness in a game is the focus of the game, it should be obvious from a short description, but if it really only exists, it should not even be tagged.

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lonelysaturn1 year ago (1 edit) (+1)

I do agree the tagging system on itch isnt great. A lot of people here just seem driven by a dislike of lgbtq+ people so I got a bit emotional with responses. Also whether or not Im a "furry" is irrelevant, and this pfp is a character in a project Im working on. With each persoanl project I hyperfixate on I change my pfp to the character I like writing about the most. 

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Ponydragon1 year ago(+1)

Of course it is irrelevant.   Also, I called you furry looking and not furry ;-)

Not all people activate the viewing of adult content.   The drive to   exclude   more than one tag stems from the fact that the browse features is often flooded by certain   tags, mostly horror and visual novel.

But shifted to an adult gameing perspective, it becomes ridiculus, as there is quite an abundance of  non-straight tags for lack of a better word. And most of them mean the same thing anyways.    So if you would not be interested in that, you are out of luck. You cannot even try to search with positive tags, to avoid   the content that you do not want to play, because there is no straight tag. If you want to avoid horror, you can search for puzzle, if you want to avoid vn, you can search for action or whatever, to thin out the results.  But it gets better. Indicated by the testing done by xlsk   you cannot even distinguish many games when looking at their short description or screenshots. Spotting furry is quite easy compared to that.

I do not know about the philosophy of itch, if they are "liberal" or whatever.   But I highly doubt that the lack of multiple exclusion stems from any   agenda about   lgbt and to not give   the ability to filter it out. The 5yo thread made it very clear to me, that this feature   is  not frowned upon, but hard to code.   A single exclusion was coded rather quickly in that thread. Itch does not have the AAA money, and the feature, while being a QoL for some, is not essential for the platform. Just look at Steam, they do have that feature and I did not even know they have it. And I use Steam for over a decade.

I read a lot of descriptions and comments on adult games.   "Queer" stuff is not a problem. In any game with  enough complexity there will be some non-straight things. And if the mc is optionally or mandatory gay, that is clearly labelled, as the dev actually wants to attract players that are interested in that. What   really is frowned upon is   ntr. That can be like mineral oil in a drink of water for some players.

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lonelysaturn1 year ago(+3)

I get that! I have no problem with people wanting to search for that in specific, tag exclusion should exist by now, but my point is just that a straight tag initself wasnt necessary since straight content is so prominent you can just scroll past. However I get that one may be necessary now due to a lack of tag exclusion if thats what youre specifically looking for

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Ponydragon1 year ago(+2)

In theory. But not gonna fly.  For any such thing, there have to be accurate tags in the first place. No one would bother to tag "straight", even if it existed.

I know from visual and kinetic novels. Even though a kinetic novel tag exists, have fun finding games that clearly tag it.   With luck, it is written in the description somewhere (yeah, some do tag it, but let me exaggarate). Should you not know what a kinetic novel is, it is visual novel where you can only press next. That is the only interaction possible. For me that is a movie and not a game. While there is nothing wrong with kinetics,    I would not want to see them, when looking for games.

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Ponydragon1 year ago(+2)

Uhm, to clarify, I did not assume anything about you.    But I do know from observation and experience    that discussions about this topic are usually emotionally driven and far from sound arguments. So I found it refreshing to see a factual post and made a   remark about how unusual that is.

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lonelysaturn1 year ago(+1)

That makes sense. 

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avesha364 days ago(+1)

I know it was precisely 279 days ago, but I found this post today and felt the need to comment on this: even the most logical of people, like myself, usually gets defensive on a emotional scale when arguments, even if not malicious, are made somehow in relation to opposition, against us. Since all we've faced historically was denial of existence and rights, humiliation, threats of violence and death... etc. 

Any normal and sane person would be slightly offput by any negative criticism even if not made with derogatory intention. If you faced daily hate, you'd need therapy for life. That's most of LGBTQ+ of Gen Z. We all need therapy to not off ourselves in a soon future. 

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