Skip to main content

Indie game storeFree gamesFun gamesHorror games
Game developmentAssetsComics
SalesBundles
Jobs
Tags

A finished VN? Now that's a rare sight.


As for the secret end.....





What was the point of the experiment? Dave remembers everything, so that must mean the lethal medicine Oswin created is going to work or something? Paths A and B both had pretty good endings, but path P is just "what if we went to the beach instead?". Sure, it's the best trauma free timeline (assuming the brain damage from memory overload won't be a problem), but I don't see it working at all with the rest of the story.

the point was can the vault work, the fact dave remembers everything proves it.

I get that, but does that affect the medicine any? Also, Roswell clearly remember things way before that point.

(1 edit)
but does that affect the medicine any

Depends: 

a) NO: Oswin medicine had always been a succes; the Events on Judgement Day happend because the experiment at the hospital was sabotaged or botched. ->The treasure hunt was created to unlock the password and encourge Oswin to try again.

b) YES: Oswins Medicine was a Failure and -> The treasure hunt was created to unlock the password and encourge Oswin to change the medicine for another try.

It fits with Flora Message for Dave: If Dave and his friend would have known thats impossible to get all the medals on one iteration, why wouldn't have tried. Life is not about Goal, Succes and Regrets, but rather trying/not giving up, making choices and variance.

Alright, but this serves as a conclusion to the game. It really shouldn't be ambiguous in it's message. I'm not saying that a definitive answer is required, but it could have been explained that the whole thing was to tell Oswin to keep trying even if it might be impossible.

First question, whose experiment? There was like 3.

(1 edit) (+1)

In this case, Florencia's. The medals collecting was her thing, and is what opens that path.

I guess what bothers me most is if just not going to the mansion at all solves everything, why Roswell didn't call it off before? Besides that, I'd like a explicit explanation how this version of the events, makes using the medicine a viable option. Berek07's conjecture is good, but I was hoping that the story would have told me that.

Florencia's experiment was to save her brother and her son. Roswell was terminal with no prospects outside obsessing over a rat that had seen how things play out, and Oswin had given up hope living after his experiment and had to watch his son call someone else dad.

The reason Roswell didn't call it off before is because not going to the mansion doesn't solve the problem. He's tried, it's why we see glimpses of a timeline where Dave is a sole survivor, so that was a no-go. I think an important thing to remember is that Roswell's goal was to keep Dave alive, Thanatos's goal was to keep Roswell alive as much as he could, even in the face of Roswell's wants, and then Florencia just wanted her family fixed.

So why the medals? Because they're impossible to get in one run. They could've been anything at all, just a set of objects that she could've hidden in the same way. It would've required Dave to experience/remember the fact he's looped even with Thanatos as a witness. 

The normal question now is usually "So does the medicine work or doesn't it?" the answer is "We don't know." It's a quantum mechanics thing referred to as a wave function collapse, though most people recognize the concept as Schrodinger's cat. All the possibilities of how this medicine works, if it works, is now consolidated into one outcome: which we know due to outside sources that yes, it will work.

As far as providing this explicitly in game, it becomes hard to treat readers with respect for their intelligence with things like this when the alternative is to just open a Wikipedia page on the subject and deliver it up-front. I could have Florencia or someone monologue for a while to get it all down, but at what point does it just become a clunky mess when in-universe Dave isn't going to understand anyway.

It didn't have to be a long winded explanation from her. Florencia could have been like, "Oh so it's actually happening. See, I told you Oz that as long as you try, the impossible could work. This right here is proof of it." and then Oswin, "You know what, you are right. But I'll let Roswell to choose if he wants to risk it or not". Dave doesn't need to understand that interaction. 

Isn't that incredibly out of character for Oz considering he's incredibly stubborn

isn't that the point? you keep trying, and the impossible might just happen. but really that's just an example for how it could play out. i don't intend to be extending the topic. i just wanted to point out the ending wasn't clear enough to me.

(1 edit)

I still find value in you explaining further, if only because these are the kinds of things that inform how I need to edit this beast into something more refined.


EDIT: I think using the message "keep trying and you'll achieve the impossible" isn't exactly on the money either. So using your example wholesale wouldn't work.

Well, the idea here is showing how Dave remembering things convinces Oswin to try. That's the main connection missing, and that's precisely what makes it difficult to point out what it is. There are a number of options to how that could play. Maybe it was due to Florencia proving her point. Maybe it was just the sheer absurdity of the experiment working at all. Or it could also be something that Dave lets slip out when talking about the approaching events. How the vacation is going to be a bad idea, and realizing Roswell is in dire need of a course correction, possibly in the form of that medicine being made available to him. The other thing would be showing why calling the vacation off works this time, but my guess is that Dave's inherited memories effectively makes him a different person than he would have been at this point in such a way that the potential dangers never arises. These are the 2 selling points that explain why the true end works out. The medicine effectiveness isn't as important.

Still, I don't want to be nagging so much on these details. They don't detract at all from the rest of the story, which is really fun.

Oh, it's not nagging at all. At least I'm not seeing it as such.

The question I would pose is "Oswin is being convinced to try what?" because that's something maybe I'm not understanding. Florencia is the one who's like "Oh how interesting, let's fuck around and find out" and throwing caution to the wind. Even though Oswin is being compelled towards accessing the elixir, he's not actively trying to use it. He's just making it available for Roswell to choose.

(1 edit)
keep trying and you'll achieve the impossible

Please, don't do that .... it sounds cheezy almost "anime"...


Schrodinger's cat

Now i feel stupid that i didn't thought of it earlier.

How is prompting Dave to remember multiple timelines meant leading to saving Oswin and Roswell?
Was the idea that Dave remembering would change the family's morale and convince them to try the cure?

Because after all, they can't know if the cure works until they try?

meant to lead to saving Oswin and Roswell*

Well, for Roswell it's easy. Dave remembering the vacation means he won't be able to follow with his plans. So it forces him to reevaluate things. Oswin is the one that i just can't find the reasoning. My best guess is seeing Roswell distraught might make him more willing to present the option of the medicine. It's a stretch but i can't come up with something better.

(3 edits)

If calling off the mansion doesn't stop people from dying is there any reason not to believe that someone/everyone is likely to die at the beach vacation in the true end?


Edit: Nevermind, read the other comment about how Thanatos dying counts as "the death" that is required for fate to by filled. Guess that makes sense enough now.