"You are a Developer (Creator) if you; Play some indie devs games and give feedback"
I'm just going to say it: going around and flaming content creators or other people does NOT make you a 'developer.' Given that the last bit at the end was absolutely pure garbage, I wish I had the foresight to stop reading at this line and close my tab.
At least you labeled this thread appropriately...
Most people who come to this website to make content are hobbyists. They make content because they want to, not to serve you, douchebag.
You are not a part of any role in that process. You are an "idea guy," AKA someone who values their own ability to talk out of their rear as if that's anything special. Most people have ideas. And this whole "you neeeeed us" vibe I'm getting off reading your shit just reeks of unwarranted entitlement.
Go fuck yourself.
Considering the level of abstraction in this thread I agree with you but with an asterisk:
If a youtuber hires a indie studio or just a bunch of people to make a game about whatever he wants, that does not make the youtuber the developer of his game. However, professional testers and game designers (they literally play and give feedbacks for a carrer), they are developers too.
Claiming that you are a game developer just because you paid a game dev. team to create your game is as pretentiously inaccurate as claiming that you are a home builder just because you paid a construction contractor to build your own house.
Like the house, you may have the rights over the game you ordered but you can't misrepresent the one who built it.
Just like you can't pretentiously claim and misrepresent the people that support the platform to begin with. It's basically like saying that interior decorators aren't real designers at all as any persons set up of living has a design, a purpose behind it, the builders enable people to creatively decide what that interior will look or feel like after the builders have done their jobs.
Let me ask, do you think there would be more "Indie" "devs"* with more drive to make more games not aimed at streamers and the masses short attention spanned appeals if there was higher chance of financial incentives behind it? Or will they just sell out and bend at the knee and take that steam route? How many claim to make games because they want to, but be pissed when someone DOESN'T like their games? or use some thinly veiled attempt at sarcasm, "ownage" or use the old reddit user "Well actually" type route of passive aggressive behavior to cope with their feels of wanting people to appreciate what they create. Which in and out of itself is not a bad thing, it's reasonable. But not realistic, why else do most devs go the old get a publisher and go microtransaction tf out of some skins or whatever else takes the LEAST amount of development time to call themselves "Talented" and call it a day?
Lots of Universities are filled with the MOST pretentious, know it all, judgemental people who ironically will defend to the DEATH the people they put down and use and provide with trashy, half assed content? Game development isn't what it used to be definitely.
In your example decorators are real designers because they are professionals working in the construction, they studied, researched, built a career out of that. A house owner (aka the youtuber in my first example) literally just paid for it, again, they are sponsors of the game, and thus deserve that recognition, but they are NOT developers, as they did not work in the game (unless otherwise), either programming, designing or professionally testing it...
As for the rest, It seems you hold resentment towards some developer(s) that may have not taken your feedback/request kindly, for that I have nothing to say. As I can't figure out your abstraction level, when you say things like "be pissed when someone DOESN'T like their games".
So in your subjective opinion you feel interior designers with a lazy ass job are "Professionals" but people that participate in the existence of creation altogether and development of something are not developers, nice logic. There is no context to be had, developers are developers, people creating need to be more specific with their jobs then if they wanna lay claim to something.
Developers been around since 1796.
Ok I had it, you need to be more respectful kid, you literally just said that a person who studied design and made a career out of that has a "lazy ass job"
And Yes, I'm sorry to bring you the facts: you're not a developer just because you downloaded and review a game, if that's not getting into your head, life may teach you that.
This conversation is over for me, you pushed my good will in reading your trash talk too far as I'm not answering you anymore.
