Other skin colors and such would be impossible as it'd mean doubling the size of the game and development time because of the extra renders
Ah, in that case maybe have it as an alternate version? It'd be appreciated, but it's not that big of a deal.
More thoughts and criticisms as I played up to 2nd Monday:
"Tell that to my gypsy roots, woman."
Might wanna replace every instance of 'gypsy' with 'Romani' instead.
Gonna point out the fatphobia in the spin-the-bottle scene and say I hope you aren't continuing that trend into you other games... like Eternum. 😐
And now I'm seeing the Fat Jack scene. 😑
Just finished Dr. Monroe's test and the homophobia not sitting right with me.
"The results also show an increasing homosexual tendency, up to 40%. (...) But don't worry, I can help you manage your emotional disorders."
Having the MC think to himself "WTF?" would've been better than having him not react and say "Sure" later. Seriously. 😐
Alternatively, having re-read the scene, making it "your [aforementioned] emotional disorders" instead would clear up the waters if your intention wasn't homophobia.
I'ma have to agree with yarow here. The fatphobia is not only in the spin-the-bottle scene and Panzer IV Jack, all of the girls are borderline anorexic and conform to socially constructed beauty standards. That's by far not the only problem though. The game is also ableist, why can't the player be with a girl in a wheelchar for example?? As yarow also mentioned: skin-color. Not only for the MC but also the other characters. Why are so many of them white? Also the whole setup of the game objectives women, just say the right thing and they'll all fall in love with you and don't even care that you're cheating on them all the time. Only a privileged, heteronormative, sexist, racist, while looser could have made such a game.
Since not everyone will recognize the sarcasm, I'ma say that it is sarcasm here. I respect Caribdis's games to much to actually be a troll in his comment section.
Once in a lifetime is an awesome game already and Caribdis surpassed themselves with Eternum a hundred times over. And neither Once in a lifetime nor Eternum are bigoted in any way.
You're literally just making valid criticisms. I don't understand how someone could get so close to the right mindset, and still not see the point.
Also just because people had criticisms about the game doesn't mean that it immediately isn't amazing. I personally had a great time with this game, even with my opinions about its occasionally unintended problematic tones.
Ok, I'ma spell it out for ya.
1) "fatphobia" is pretty much a made-up concept and a political combat term. Ignoring the dubious word choice (nobody is scared of fat people) Making fun of something is not bigotry. Most things leftist label "fatphobia" is are either health concerns, jokes or dumb insults. The closest thing to bigotry that happens somewhat regularly is people look down on down on fat people for lack of self-discipline or similar things(inb4 rare medical conditions: exceptions don't disprove the rule) calling that bigotry is still quite a stretch though.
2) Being slender is not being anorexic.
3) Beauty standard are not constructed. They somewhat differ from culture to culture and are generally are proxies for health, status and wealth. Them being partially defined by society is a good thing. The idea that they are "socially constructed" is often used to delegitimize them and to relive pressure to lose weight. Weather or not this goal is a good thing or not is another can of worms, but the claim that beauty standards are "constructed" rather than socially evolved is plain wrong either way.
4) Disabilities are not sexy and not a good or beautiful thing. "ablesim" is a combat term used to bully people to include("represent") disabled people in their works of art. The demand to have disabled girls in a porn game is a particularly vulgar example of this since the girls must be sexy and being disabled is not sexy.
5) Criticizing a piece of media because (some of) the characters have the wrong skin color is a typical example of racism. If the artists envisions them to be white/black/whatever(for whatever reason) so be it. Unless there's some actual reason for them to have a different skin color(historical figures should be their actual race in most cases, for example), complaining about the race of the characters is racism.
6) The whole thing with objectification, cheating and text choices to make them fall in love is quite literally the point of harem VNs, so if that's "problematic" you're arguing against this kind of game in general. I'm not gonna discuss the validity of this since you said you liked this game and you're here in the first place so you don't seem to actually have a problem with this, also this is kind of a tired debate, this line of reasoning has been discussed to death in the killer-games debate already.
7) "Only a privileged, heteronormative, sexist, racist, while looser could have made such a game." is a cheap insult with leftist-buzzwords, I'ma assume you don't actually think I'm literally just making valid criticisms and meant to use the word "literally" as a generic amplifier instead of meaning literally literally.
What you describe as "the right mindset" is being a hypersensitive leftist with victim-mentality. I do see the point. In fact, I'm seeing beyond it.
See how productive it is to imply that someone is not in the "right" mindset or is not seeing "the point" is? ;)
its not fatphobia to have a preference for healthy body shapes. if someone wants to be fat thats fine but it doesn't mean i have to be attracted to them. its also not homophobic to make the MC straight, in fact its normal especially in the porn game scene. if you want to do big girls play fattening career or something, not everyone wants to look at bigger chicks.
1) Preference is fine. But the game did actually make fat jack into a caricature, which IS fat-phobic.
2) yarow was not saying the game is homophobic because the mc was straight. I challenge you to scour through his comment multiple times, you will not find that to be his reason that he thinks the game has been homophobic. What he actually meant by his comment was that the lack of acknowledgement that the doctor's comment was homophobic makes it seem like homosexuality is something that should be "manage(d)" by doctors, ie. something to be fixed.
phobia means fear, nobody is scared of fat people. being labeled fat jack doesnt imply fear of jacks weight it implies that jack is fat. the idea of fat phobia as portrayed by the left does not exist. same goes for those who don't like gays. MC not acknowledging a "homophobic" statement is also the most mature route cuz whats he gonna do get into an argument that makes both parties involved mad and earns him nothing is pointless. and maybe the MC doesn't care for gay people either thats his choice. by not acknowledging it it just avoids a pointless argument scene. stop trying to force bogus political views into things that you don't own. it's the devs game and he can add whatever he wants in it if you don't like it you can move on. theres plenty of games with big girls and gay or trans people in them go play one of them and stop trying to force people to clone those games.
1) language evolves daily. fatphobia, homophobia, transphobia, are terms that describe the bias or repelling, repulsive against those particular groups, and are not to be confused with the medical use of the term phobia. for example, a piece of cloth that is "hydrophobic" does not mean that the material is scared of water, merely that water is repelled by it. the repelling nature is the focus, not the "fear".
2) in the context of the scene, there is a difference with "not acknowledging" the remark and "not engaging" on the remark. the MC could have acknowledged that the homophobia was bad by saying to himself "wow this guy is homophobic" without actually confronting the person. but the fact that neither the mc nor the writer makes known their distaste of the statement implies that they themselves agree to those statements. I believe Caribdis does make an effort to make it known that they arent homophobic in their new game, so i felt comfortable addressing that here in this public forum to just bring light to this singular thing i have an issue with in this older game.
3) There's a difference between "doesn't care for gay people" to "agrees with gay conversion therapy"
4) Gay people's existence isn't political, homophobic people want to make it political so they can go against it without feeling the moral decay set in themselves.
5) I don't really have a problem with the devs. I'm just pointing out a scene that I didn't appreciate in a game I appreciate for the most part, which i feel like is a healthy relationship between dev and consumer.
6) nobody is asking the devs to turn this game into "games with big girls and gay or trans people in them"
First, being kind is indeed subjective and very person-to-person. Ever heard of "You can't please everyone"? To say that this isn't political is downright delusional. And kindness certainly isn't an argument to force people into political correct views. For the same reason that most developed countries don't think of "insulting someone" as a crime. Because it's an easy catch-all argument to oppress free speech and artistic freedom.
If you want to be kind and considerate, consider the amount of effort has been put into this game. How demotivating it must be to have some delusional scumbag in their comments trying to bent their game to political correct views. That's why I said "If you want a woke game, make it yourself". Let's see if you still have a big mouth when you actually do something in your life, instead of doing nothing yourself and critiquing other peoples' lives and work.