Post by K14M in Problems with the "3D" tag

Viewing post in Problems with the "3D" tag

You (as a publisher) can only select 10 tags for a project.

Did I write somewhere that I am a publisher? I am a user who is not satisfied with the current tagging system.

Okay, let's say I was a publisher. And what does this change? Do you want to say that if instead of the “3D” tag, there are two tags “3D game” and “3DCG”, will this somehow negatively affect publishers? Nothing like this. Now, regardless of the description of the 3D tag, publishers add it to themselves to attract attention. If instead of one tag there are two, publishers will set themselves one of the tags, the one that suits them best.

(3) That is a matter of opinion in most cases, including "3d".

What opinion are you talking about? On the website, the 3D tag has a specific description, which narrows all variations of this term to a more specific one. If the site didn’t have a description of the tags, it wouldn’t matter. But there is a description

(4) Feel free to click the link below the tag description that reads "Suggest updated description".

And what will this change? If I offer my description, will all game developers listen to the change and correct their tags? I doubt

(5) About what? People having different opinions than you about what constitutes correct usage of tag 3d?

Then answer a simple question. Why was the language invented? Speech. Words. Why is all this necessary if people are not able to understand each other because no one uses dictionaries and the same word has a different meaning for each person? Why do we use words at all if we cannot understand their meaning? Replace tags with pictures and nothing will change. Let's communicate like primitive people with cave paintings.

That’s why words are needed to exchange specific meanings. if I say "sea". So I mean the sea. A sea is a large body of salty water. There is a word and there is a specific meaning of this word. The same goes for tags. What does the "first person" tag mean? Does this tag have multiple different meanings? Does everyone understand it differently? Or does the tag have one meaning in the context of games? Likewise, the 3D tag should have one meaning so as not to confuse people, otherwise the tag is useless. We use tags to narrow down the search and not to confuse it.

But no one uses the second one.

Nobody uses it? And what's that? Enough mentions

Oh, and according to your logic, all the 170 games in that list would be unsuccessfull because of their usage of that tag.

What does this have to do with the “unsuccessfull” game and the use of one unsuccessful tag in it? If the game only had these unpopular tags and an unattractive name, then obviously the game itself would be unpopular. But these games also have other, more popular tags, tagged 16-bit (6,145 results), Platformer (128,458 results)

You need to actually read the answers. The method to do tag exclusion, is talked about in several threads.

Do you know what it's called on the Internet? This is called "sending in rough form". Instead of answering how to do something, you send me to look for how to do it. Why did you even come to this topic then? This is a universal answer to any question. A person comes to the forum, asks for something, and they answer him - go and look for it yourself. GREAT! This is the most useless and, moreover, offensive message. Or maybe the tag exclusion method is so complex that you don't understand it yourself? Then everything is clear. If you yourself are technically illiterate, then don’t try to teach others.

Like Reply

redonihunter1 year ago

Learn English, or use a better translator, and most importantly learn how to extract meaning from words. You were given answers, but you refuse to understand them. Or you are unable to.

Did I write somewhere that I am a publisher?

This question demonstrates your lack of language comprehension.

Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You#Third_person_usage

publishers add it to themselves to attract attention. If instead of one tag there are two, publishers will set themselves one of the tags, the one that suits them best

You might hope to attract attention. But you tag what you deem fit for your project. You can even invent tags. Never saw an open tagging system? It is as open as hashtags are on social media. So go to X and complain that people invent tags all day, instead of using predefined ones.

If the site didn’t have a description of the tags, it wouldn’t matter. But there is a description

There is two problems here. First, those descriptions are "descriptions" and not "definitions". Look up the words, if you have trouble with the meaning of those words. Second, the description of the 3d tag is as non commiting as it can be. It merely says, it is 3d games. Which does not give you any new information. You alread are browsing for games and you already have selected 3d.

With an open tagging system, you do not consult any descriptions. You just write in the tags you think would describe your game or should be associated with the game. It is tagging, not selecting categories like game or not game.

Will it be easier for you to understand if you think about it as a tweet with hashtags? Here look at my new game #indie #3d #visualnovel.

And what will this change? If I offer my description, will all game developers listen to the change and correct their tags? I doubt

Read your reply again. You are beginning to understand why it is not doable, what you propose ;-)

And as said many times here: tags are chosen by the devs. This has consequences. Including that you cannot retroactivly change what tags mean or force devs to select certain tags.

Please do not reply with yet another demonstration of you not understanding the different uses of "you".

Why is all this necessary if people are not able to understand each other

I fear the irony of this is lost on you.

Nobody uses it? And what's that? Enough mentions

Those are all adult games. Set your settings to ( ) Show content marked as adult in search & browse and try again. Also, this is open community, please do not post screenshots of adult games or their thumbnails here.

It seems the tags you are looking for are only (!) used in adult games. No non-adult game uses this tag here on itch.

But nevertheless, you proven to yourself, that the tags you propose already exist.

If the game only had these unpopular tags and an unattractive name, then obviously the game itself would be unpopular

This is not what you claimed. You are using a strawman argument fallacy. You did not write, that a game needed to select only non-used tags to be unpopular. You only talked about a single tag and made no mention about the other 9 tags. Also, what you conclude does not follow from the premise. There are games here that are popular yet do not have any tags at all! You can release a game here and not even be on the index, and have success. Did it not occur to you, that games are marketed outside of itch? Itch staff specifically recommends to not rely on internal marketing from existing on the index.

go and look for it yourself.

I told you the terms to look for.

https://itch.io/community/search?category_id=0&query=tag+exclusion

Did you even try to look? There even is a sticky thread about it. It is at the very top of the list in ideas and feedback subforum.

Like Reply

K14M1 year ago

So go to X and complain that people invent tags all day, instead of using predefined ones.

What is X and why should I complain about this site there?

Just because anyone can create their own tag does not mean that anyone will use them. These tags are not in the list of tags, they do not have descriptions, and therefore they will not be used by ordinary site users. They just don't know that such tags exist.

Regarding the language. The site has been translated into my language. Maybe you should learn my language?

It merely says, it is 3d games. Which does not give you any new information. You alread are browsing for games and you already have selected 3d.

And you still teach me the language? What is 3D anyway? Literally three dimensions. Is there a third dimension in flat visual novels? Did you study geometry at school?

With an open tagging system, you do not consult any descriptions.

So words are not important? I can attach any tags to my game, the most popular tags, to attract attention, and no one really cares if I blatantly lie? Great "open" tagging system. Why then do we need tags at all if when I search for something specific I don’t get it? If I choose “first-person”, then there may well be “second-person” and “third-person” games, and do you think this is completely normal?

And as said many times here: tags are chosen by the devs.

Are you saying that tags are added by developers? You are blatantly lying! If this is the case, then why are these tags not in the tag list? I checked all the pages!

https://itch.io/tags	https://itch.io/tags?page=8
https://itch.io/tags?page=2	https://itch.io/tags?page=9
https://itch.io/tags?page=3	https://itch.io/tags?page=10
https://itch.io/tags?page=4	https://itch.io/tags?page=11
https://itch.io/tags?page=5	https://itch.io/tags?page=12
https://itch.io/tags?page=6	https://itch.io/tags?page=13
https://itch.io/tags?page=7	https://itch.io/tags?page=14

Нет тегов 3DCG или 3D-игр. Их нет ни на одной странице. А раз их не существует, значит, ими мало кто будет пользоваться. И пользователи, и разработчики. Пока тег не будет официально присвоен, он будет менее популярен.

Like Reply

redonihunter1 year ago

What is X and why should I complain about this site there?

That you need to use a better translator was not an insult. I am serious. Also, how can you be on the internet and not notice that Twitter changed its name to X?

therefore they will not be used by ordinary site users.

You already proved yourself incorrect by browsing the 3dcg tag. All those games have a tag that is not in the suggested list and that has no description.

Maybe you should learn my language?

This is an US based site. Parts of it are available localized, but there is no system of localizing game pages and community is still in English. You asked on English speaking community forum in English. And in English you got answers. Also English is not my native language either.

And you still teach me the language? What is 3D anyway? Literally three dimensions. Is there a third dimension in flat visual novels?

You seem to have a need for it. 3D is short for three dimensions. So far so correct. But the tag 3D is not the same as the abreviation 3D. It is whatever people use it for. Cinemas use the same abreviation for stereoscopic movies. Are the 3d games you are looking for in stereoscopic vision? Context is important. Context here is a tag and its usage. And there is a difference if you use classic "drawn" characters or 3d rendered images, even if the game is "flat".

You can suggest a different usage, but as you yourself already noticed, it is impossible to convince all the developers to change their opinion about the meaning and usage of the tag 3d, so they would migrate to use 3dcg for flat images.

It all boils down to the statement several people told you: devs chose the tags. It is all there is to it. You can complain and be annoyed by it. But neither you nor itch can change this. Oh, sure, in a trivial sense, itch could overhaul the tagging system and radically change it, but this is not gonna happen anytime soon. They might switch to a predefined set one day, who knows. But I doubt it. There are even tags for som jam participiants.

So words are not important? I can attach any tags to my game, the most popular tags, to attract attention, and no one really cares if I blatantly lie?

Tags are not words, they are tags. And delibaretly spamming tags is discouraged.

https://itch.io/docs/creators/quality-guidelines#do-not-use-unrelated-tags-or-cl...

Adding tags, tools, engines, and classifications that are unrelated to your project in an attempt to increase its visibility is against our rules.

The important word here is "unrelated". 3d is related to visual novels using 3d rendered images.

Are you saying that tags are added by developers (1)? You are blatantly lying (2)! If this is the case, then why are these tags not in the tag list (3)? I checked all the pages!

(1). They are selected by the devs and any tag can be selected, even one that is not in the list or does not exist yet. Yes. This is so. You can browse ANY tag and will not get a 404 error message. This is an open tagging system. It has advantages, it has disadvantages. You can think about this whatever you like, but this is how it works on itch.

https://itch.io/games/tag-thistagdoesnotexist

(2). Quit your insults. I am not at fault for you not understanding or believing what was told to you.

(3). I do not know and I do not care. But it does not look like an automated list. Probably a site admin curates the list from time to time. The tags on that list are sometimes called suggested tags.

I suggest you use the feedback button on the left side of your profile. If you do not see it, change the zoom level of your web browser. Tell itch to change the see all tags button, because it is misleading. It should read, see suggested tags or something like that. It made you think that "all tags" means that it will show exhaustivly all tags. It does not. It only shows this list of whatever they call it internally. Maybe suggested tags.

There are serious problems and pitfalls with the tagging system here. But you can find interesting games, if you see an interesting tag on a game you already found. The game info box will have links to those tags. That is how I found out, that the list is incomplete and you can write and guess any tag. Like the banana tag.

But I do not consider the usage of some popular tags like 3d to be an issue. If we start to open this can of worms, you can complain about half of the horror games here. The horror tag description is wrong to begin with. But, well, horror here is used for some jump scares. Meh. Whatever.

Oh, and not even with a closed tagging system as on Steam you will get all "3d" games according to your defintion with a catch-it-all tag. So just use the common tags used usually for this type of games. There is no single tag that will be used for all of them.

That stuff is really hard to translate. Try using the output of the translator as input and do it again to see how funny some things read after translation. I know what you meant, but the translated stuff was just garbage.

It is an advantage to have a few tags that are seldom used. Like 200 games. You are linked by the other 199 games via the game info box. And competition against 200 games is different than against 5000. I found many games this way. Just look at 3dcg as an example.

Like Reply

K14M1 year ago

Also, how can you be on the internet and not notice that Twitter changed its name to X?

Or maybe you shouldn’t think that the whole world revolves around you and your social networks? First of all, your Twitter is not popular in all countries. Secondly, in some it is even prohibited. Who would use a garbage dump in which even personal messages are paid?

All those games have a tag that is not in the suggested list and that has no description.

Now answer a simple question. How would I have known about the existence of this tag if you had not told me about it? It's not in the list of tags.

Context is important.

That's right, context is important. How can games be classified? According to the genre, but 2D is not a genre. Based on the location of the camera, this is also not suitable. Technologies of graphic image. This is what you need.

Classification according to graphic image technology:

Lack of graphics (text games, pseudo-graphics)
2D graphics (vector, raster)
3D graphics
3D image (stereo glasses)
Augmented reality (mobile devices with a video camera)
Virtual reality (virtual reality helmet)

As you can see, everything falls into place here. When it comes to 3D, in the context of games. The first suitable definition is 3D games. Game with 3D graphics. Stereoscopic games came later and are less common.

So you're screwed again.

But neither you nor itch can change this.

And again a lie. itch can change everything. How? It is enough to remove the 3D tag from the list of tags and clear its description. On the contrary, add the tags “3D game” and “3DCG” to the list of tags and write a description for them. Then everything will fall into place. The 3D tag is ambiguous, and therefore it should not be supported. The tags “3D game” and “3DCG”, on the contrary, are very clear. This, of course, will not eliminate false tagging, but it will definitely benefit the site and users.

Tags are not words

What class are you in? Have you even finished school? Can you write me a definition of what a “word” is?

3d is related to visual novels using 3d rendered images.

3d means three dimensions. Most visual novels don't have three dimensions. Flat sprites on flat backgrounds. If a character in a visual novel were a 3D model, or the character's background was 3D, then the 3D tag would be appropriate.

Q You're talking about a 3D style of images that still remain flat. With the development of various games with a built-in visual studio, there are too many “3D” crafts on renpai. People simply take screenshots in the studio of some game, insert these screenshots into their game and post them on the Internet as a “3D game”. Previously, this kind of crap didn’t exist, but now self-respecting sites have started tagging such games with the 3DCG tag so that beautiful screenshots wouldn’t mislead people

(1). They are selected by the devs and any tag can be selected, even one that is not in the list or does not exist yet. Yes. This is so. You can browse ANY tag and will not get a 404 error message.

With every message you seem dumber and dumber to me. How will the user understand that there is a tag on the site that is not in the list of site tags? HOW WILL HE KNOW? Don't you see the problem here? I see. If the tag is hidden, then what difference does it make whether it is there or not?

This is my first time visiting the site. And I want to find interesting games based on tags. What tags will I use? That's right, those tags that I see in the site interface. I repeat the question once again. How do I know that the site has tags if they are not in the list?

(3). I do not know and I do not care. But it does not look like an automated list. Probably a site admin curates the list from time to time. The tags on that list are sometimes called suggested tags.

THIS CAN'T BE HAPPEN (sarcasm). You said that itch cannot influence anything and everything is decided by game developers. And now it turns out that itch does decide something? So maybe my proposal to add tags to this list still makes some sense?

Tell itch to change the see all tags button, because it is misleading. It should read, see suggested tags or something like that. It made you think that "all tags" means that it will show exhaustivly all tags.

THIS CAN'T BE HAPPEN (sarcasm). It looks like I “heard” the first reasonable thought from you during our communication

That is how I found out, that the list is incomplete and you can write and guess any tag.

Well, I never looked at the description under the spoiler. What useful information is there? Game platform? I select it during the search, and I know for sure that I will only find PC games. Tags? I only look at them while searching. If I went to the game’s page, it means I’m already interested in it and the rest doesn’t matter.

But what I used was the “Similar Games” button. The site searches for games with similar tags, but only uses official tags. This is easy to check. Take the link - https://itch.io/games/tag-3dcg

This is a list of games that are EXACTLY tagged with the 3dcg tag. We open each game and look at similar games.

Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Erotic Ren'Py Romance
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Erotic
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Anime Male protagonist Parody Romance Visual Novel
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Dating Sim Erotic Management Simulation Story Rich
Related tags: Adventure Adult Parody
Related tags: Role Playing Adult Erotic Fantasy Gay Monsters Point & Click Role Playing Sandbox Singleplayer
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Adventure Furry Sandbox Unity
Related tags: Visual Novel Anime Cute Fantasy Parody Ren'Py Visual Novel
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Male protagonist Multiple Endings Visual Novel
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Erotic Male protagonist Ren'Py Story Rich
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Erotic Female Protagonist Male protagonist Ren'Py Visual Novel
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Adventure Unity
Related tags: Visual Novel 3D Adult Erotic Fantasy Visual Novel
Related tags: Puzzle Erotic Lesbian Puzzle
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Male protagonist
Related tags: Visual Novel Adventure Fantasy Male protagonist Visual Novel
Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Male protagonist Ren'Py Romance Story Rich

I looked at 18 games, and none of them offered me games with the 3DCG tag. If this tag is added officially, the situation will change

***

And I didn’t understand what you wrote next.

I bought myself a video card. Not very powerful, but before I didn’t have a video card at all (Ryzen with integrated graphics). And now I can play more demanding and non-optimized games. Large AAA 3D games are usually more optimized than Unity games. And now, having a normal video card, I want to play 3D games. But before that I need to find them, but I can’t. Due to the fact that under the 3D tag, everything is mixed up. If I use any other tag, I couldn't find what I need. I need a 3D tag or a 3D game tag

Like Reply

redonihunter1 year ago

How would I have known about the existence of this tag if you had not told me about it? It's not in the list of tags.

You click the little info box on a game page and there you click on a tag. Or you guess common words that might be used.

There will always be people disagreeing with the choice of tags or even the meaning of tags. Or their relevance. You disagree with both, ok. Moving on.

And again a lie

Quote the whole thing. And not a part of it, that you can construe to your childish accusation of lying.

It is enough to remove the 3D tag from the list of tags and clear its description.

This is naive. The tags you suggest already exist, and almost no one bothers to use them or write a description for them. Did you write a description for them? If enough people do this, those tags might get a description.

I think this is the core of the misunderstanding here: you expect tags to be used by a set of rules and strict definitions of tags. But that is not what tags are. They are an association with a concept. Not a pledge to adhere to a definition. The use of the term "description" and the fact that users can suggest new description for a tag should make this clear.

Tags do not follow any such ruleset. You did notice that devs are not required to fill up all their 10 tags? And more important there is no rules in which order the tags have to be chosen. Imagine this game:

It is "3d", uses "3dcg" as rewards, is a "3d game", is made in "Unity", "single-player", has "puzzle"s, was participant in "Ludum Dare" game jam, is "educational", has some "sports", the game is also scary as it is a "horror" game, it is playable "casual" and is of course "indie", the style is "Anime", the game is "funny" and has "multiple endings", it features "zombies" and "robots", it can be played with a "controller" and features a "story rich" background of "time travel", because, why not.

I count about 20 things I would like to tag. But which should I chose? And how do I judge the relevance of each tags? I might even chose to not select any of the 3d tags. There is no requirement to tag the dimensions of the game graphics. Now that would be a suggestion, to have a separate quality that devs could select. There is the input type in the game info box. You can put mouse, keyboard, controller and such in there. What you seek is an output type.

Can you write me a definition of what a “word” is?

Your insulting is getting boring.

But here you go. It depends on the context what you mean with "word". But they key attribute of words, is, that they are the building blocks of sentences and speech.

Tags are labels, qualities, attributes, whatever you might want to call them. They are even words according to the naive definition of, a word is a thing I can say.

To put it differently: tags are made out of words, but are not used as words. It is the words that are used as tags. And they can have different meaning in their usage as tags. Different from any definition in a dictionary or their technical meaning.

but now self-respecting sites have started tagging such games with the 3DCG tag

3dcg stems from games that used cg as a (short) term for the rare ingame graphic, that was static computer generated (images). Typically the reward pic. You might have noticed a certain common attribute all the games here on itch that used that tag do have.

Also, if you check google trends, you will find, that the term 3dcg has the same search frequency, as it had 5 years before. This is not a new term, nor is it used the way you think it is used. It also has not the meaning of screenshots. It just means computer generated.

You might find a nieche site that does have central "tagging" according to their own rules and put those screenshot games into 3dcg category. It is not wrong, but misleading. Other nieche sites will show you high quality short movies and pictures made in advanced raytracing apps not unlike the ones that produce cinema animation movies for the same "tag". Actually, you probably are used to one of those sites and think all sites are like this.

But what I used was the “Similar Games” button. The site searches for games with similar tags, but only uses official tags.

It says related. That is not quite the same as similar, but I do not know what the intention is. I would expect a selection of games according to the motto of: if you like this game, you might also like those games.

If it is merely a: look, those games have shared tags, what is the point? I can just click those tags in the game description. I can even combine the most important tags, that I liked the most. There is little of a button that does just this.

Also I tried a bit. Explain, why I can click related games on a game that only has one tag and will find lots of games, but none of those games share the single tag the game had. Or another situation, the games shown only share one or two of the tags.

This is speculation, but the tags it shows on related game, might just be the suggested tags and have little to do with the games shown. It takes about three months for the algorithm to analyze what games are related to each other. And itch will not tell how it works, because people will try to exploit this information. Also, they include random in ranking and in search results.

But to end this. I believe I know exactly what you seek and why you do not find it. But I will not discuss specifics in open community.

The problem is, this is an indie platform. For indie games. This is amateur and hobby game developers without much budget, with the occasional small game studio. 3d is not cheap. It is more difficult to develop and it does not run on the potato level machines and mobile devices often used by users of the site. So using 3d will decrease the size of the audience, in addition to being hard to do.

What does this mean for your little search predicament. It means that you search for games, that are rare here. Especially in the nieche you are browsing.

You will find some here

https://itch.io/games/made-with-3ds-max

And of course with the 3d tag. Or the other tags I mentioned that imply a 3d game environment, most common is third-person. But you will not get an exhaustive list of such games with any tags.

Like Reply

K14M1 year ago (1 edit)

Это не новый термин, и он не используется так, как вы думаете. Это также не имеет значения скриншотов.

And again lies

Should I continue to list sites that have such tags?

Like Reply

redonihunter1 year ago

It's not a new term, and it's not used in the way you might think. It also doesn't matter the screenshots.

That is what your quote says translated back to English. The first sentence reads correct. The second sentence is nonsensical. The third sentence is missing.

I was refering to your statement of "sites have started tagging such games with the 3DCG tag so that beautiful screenshots wouldn’t mislead people"

The term 3dcg is much older than 5 years, so it cannot be that they have started tagging games with it. Started is the important word.

There might be a misunderstanding, as I understood you meant it to describe games that use screenshots from koikatsu or a similar engine. So I explained that it does not mean screenshots, but it means computer generated.

But either way, you assume there is an intention to avoid misleading. I disagree. It is just them tagging stuff into categories of 2dcg, 3dcg and whatever else they use as their pool of tags.

Stuff in the quality of those pixar animation movies are also called 3dcg. Search the internet and not your malware spreading sites, if you do not believe.

Citing sites that use the tag proves what exactly? That the term is used as a tag. It does prove nothing else. It does not prove that they started using it. It does not prove that they use it to avoid misleading. It does not even prove what they actually use it for or what it means on their respective sites.

And stop accusing people of lying. It is insulting. This is a forum. By default, all you read here is opinion, not fact. The concept of lying does not even apply in most cases. Even if you think someone is wrong. Or if you disagree with their statements.

This is about games. So let's look at the biggest game site on the planet. They have tags. They allow up to 20 tags for each game. Your sites have like 3 for each game. Those might be called tags, but they use it as category or genre. Hmm. Hmmmmmm. Seems the tag does not exist on Steam. Who would have guessed. Maaaaybe, because cg is primarily used for adult games, as proven by usage on itch. And of course 3dcg as well. And in this nieche it means, the pics are computer generated, in contrast of hand drawn. Some might even use 3dcg in contrast to 2dcg.

Since Steam does have adult games, I do not know, why they do not have the 3dcg tag. Maybe because it typically is not used for non-adult games.

Let's look at an actually respectable adult game site (and not your malware spreaders and not very legit looking sites). Nutaku. Well, you will not like this. They use the tag 3d for visual novels that have 3dcg images.

You try to make an argument of authority by citing those respectable sites that use the tag you want. But your sites are not respectable, nor important. The biggest fish in the pond, Steam, a specialiced legit adult game site and indie game platform itch that also has adult games. On all those platforms, the tags are used different from the way you want them to.

So the argument of authority is against your point of view. You can solve this, by accepting, that "tag" on those sites means "category". While on itch, it means "label". Oh and one of those sites even spells category out in the url. See?

Also, you should remove those links, as some or all contain malware ads and do not look very safe. This is open community and not a warez site.

Like Reply

K14M1 year ago

Stuff in the quality of those pixar animation movies are also called 3dcg. Search the internet and not your malware spreading sites, if you do not believe.

Are you autistic? No really, are you really that stupid? What the fuck are we talking about here? BITCH ABOUT GAMES. ABOUT GAMES! Why the hell are you dragging movies into this? We're talking about games. AND IN GAMES, 3DCG is a well-established term. Download any visual novel, go to the game folder and you will definitely find the CG folder in which the game backgrounds are located. CG - computer graphics. In almost all games, these graphics (background pictures) are created using a computer, in Photoshop, for example, or something else. 3DCG means the same thing, but the picture was not drawn, but rendered from three-dimensional models.

Why do I know this and you don’t? Why do I understand what games with 3DCG are, but you just can’t understand it?

But let's pretend that I'm just as autistic as you, and I don't see the difference between games and movies. Games don’t only contain pictures, games also have animated pictures and videos with sound. And there are animations and videos that can be built on the game engine, or rendered in advance. And if they are rendered in advance, then this is also 3DCG. Yes, just like in the movies. But we're not talking about films!

Citing sites that use the tag proves what exactly? That the term is used as a tag. It does prove nothing else. It does not prove that they started using it. It does not prove that they use it to avoid misleading. It does not even prove what they actually use it for or what it means on their respective sites.

And now you're lying again. You said that this term is not used as I think? Here I have given you examples when this term is USED as I think. This is how games that use pre-rendered images are marked. Why do they do this? Because a screenshot of such a game, due to the 3D style, can be misleading. It looks like a still frame of a 3D game, but in reality it is a simple game with flat images. There are rare three-dimensional games that have exactly the same graphics, but are drawn in real time by the power of your PC. And not pre-rendered like in visual novels. And so as not to confuse these two types of “3D” games, they use the 3DCG tag.

Or maybe you’ll say that this tag is used differently and I’m mistaken? Okay, what do you think the 3DCG tag means if not what I described?

And of course 3dcg as well. And in this nieche it means, the pics are computer generated, in contrast of hand drawn. Some might even use 3dcg in contrast to 2dcg.

Are you really that stupid or are you pretending to be? ALL pictures were created on a computer. Exceptions are photographs, or paintings painted with paints on canvas and then scanned with a scanner. Only such pictures were NOT created on a computer.

Everything else is created ON THE COMPUTER. There is Photoshop, there are graphic tablets, there are programs for “drawing” pictures with a mouse on a computer, there are pictures generated by an artificial intelligence, all this is created on a computer. This is all CG. 3DCG are also pictures created on a computer, but not drawn, but rendered based on a 3D scene. To draw a picture on a computer, you need to be able to draw pictures on a computer. To create a 3DCG picture, you just need to download some kind of 3D editor, download some kind of 3D character model, download some kind of 3D room scene, then place the character model inside the room model, give it the desired pose, emotion, and set the virtual camera at the right angle. READY. You have a pre-rendered image. At the same time, I didn’t know how to draw and still can’t.

Since Steam does have adult games, I do not know, why they do not have the 3dcg tag. Maybe because it typically is not used for non-adult games.

Why are you comparing itch with Steam? Steam is primarily a store for large games, and visual novels have appeared there relatively recently. It was originally a high-budget games store.

Next, why is there no 3DCG tag there? Yes, because there is no 3D tag? And therefore there is no confusion where there are three dimensions and where there are not. Do you understand no? On sites where there is a 3D tag, pre-rendered pictures and videos, and 3D games are marked with it. But since 2D games with 3DCG pre-rendered images became popular, many sites have introduced the 3DCG tag to differentiate these games from 3D games.

Where there was no 3D tag, the 3DCG tag is also not needed

Let's look at an actually respectable adult game site (and not your malware spreaders and not very legit looking sites). Nutaku. Well, you will not like this. They use the tag 3d for visual novels that have 3dcg images.

There are a total of 178 games with the 3D tag on this site. And most of them are DLC for the game Custom Order Maid 3D 2, which is truly 3D. There are 43 titles in total, which are considered to be one game with DLS. 135 games remain. And on itch there are only 88,807 games with the 3D tag. Do you think it's worth comparing these two sites? It is not profitable for them to divide games into more tags since there are few games themselves.

The biggest fish in the pond, Steam, a specialiced legit adult game site and indie game platform itch that also has adult games. On all those platforms, the tags are used different from the way you want them to.

With these words you showed how ignorant you are of this topic. Or you are aware and deliberately lying. “a specialized legit adult game site”, do you understand what nonsense I wrote? Their Steam regularly removes "adult" games. I have 5 games on my account that have been removed from the store and cannot be purchased. And even more games that I wanted to buy but didn’t have time, they were deleted. Lots of "adult" games on Steam with cut out "adult" content. The same koikatsu you mentioned. A patch for the return of adult content must be searched on the Internet or purchased separately, and often it is not even translated into English.

So there’s no need to talk bullshit about the adult games store here.

Like Reply

redonihunter1 year ago

Itch does not have a category of: "2d games that use 3d rendered images". You wish the site would, though. And you wish there were a category for games that are "3d". Understandable wishes, but it it is arrogant to think all those devs and a site with near 900k games are wrong in their tagging and you know a better way.

Since you mention context, context does include the site you are on.

You assume that the 3dcg tag is used to prevent misleading, because the games could be confused by their screenshots for actual third or first person games in a 3d engine like Unreal.

Those sites have few categories and the games are sorted by very few people. They would tag those games that way, even without screenshots.

Oh and Steam does have a 3d tag. It was mentioned in this very thread.

According to your own logic you are now a proven liar. (Actually, you are just ignorant)

Next, why is there no 3DCG tag there? Yes, because there is no 3D tag? And therefore there is no confusion where there are three dimensions and where there are not. Do you understand no? On sites where there is a 3D tag, pre-rendered pictures and videos, and 3D games are marked with it. But since 2D games with 3DCG pre-rendered images became popular, many sites have introduced the 3DCG tag to differentiate these games from 3D games.

Where there was no 3D tag, the 3DCG tag is also not needed

https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4191

You hurl insults yet know little about the topic.

"do you understand what nonsense I wrote?" (sic)

No. I do not. My guess is, that you are looking for adult games, browsed some "blogs" that use a labeling system by putting games into categories, and those categories that interested you most were named 3d but not 3dcg. After seeing this you assumed this is the way to do this. And when you discovered itch you were confused that you could not use the known tags here, despite itch featuring "tags". But your previous encounter with tags is an observation about a limited and biased sample size. It does not hold true for things outside that bubble. And your bubble is heavily geared towards adult games. The proof is, that all the hundreds games here on itch that do use the 3dcg tag are adult games. This alone is the strongest indicator, that all you talk about here is adult gaming subculture.

And there are very few real 3d games in the adult sector. I told you how to find some of them. You can add unreal-engine to the tags to look out for. Also, you might want to try a modded Skyrim.

Oh, and what kinda bothers me, if you browse on Steam for adult games and believe that Steam does not have a 3d tag, but insist that 3d is the correct tag for that type of game ... how did you previously find 3d games on Steam? And why can't you use the same method on itch? The usual tags like walking-simulator, third-person, first-person are also used here, and some more, relating to the engine used. If a game is made in unreal-engine, I would not assume it to be a visual novel.

Like Reply

View more in thread

redonihunter1 year ago(+1)

With an open tagging system, you do not consult any descriptions. You just write in the tags you think would describe your game or should be associated with the game. It is tagging, not selecting categories like game or not game.

To elaborate.

The tagging comes first. Then comes the description what people use those tags for.

And that would also be the explanation why the 3d description is so vague. Or why you can propose a new description for a tag.

Like Reply