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AzureDragoon214 days ago(+1)

Two things about "making stuff at the lab". You still need a battery for each one, which is its own gate. And because your gauges will still run with each "action", you have an increasing chance of failure even if you've made something 10 times. At least, that's how it is with the current setup. Saving up batteries will not protect you from dying due to sleep deprivation or bursting. Especially since you can't use items while in the lab.

So I would say that if we have a chance at guaranteed checks when making stuff in the lab, it would require two conditions. 1st: You've made that product at least 10 times. 2nd: Your mental fatigue is no higher than 50%. Once Mental Fatigue is past 50%, your odds of success start dropping hard. That should make the reliable production too difficult to obtain without save scumming. Sound reasonable?

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captainstupids214 days ago

I like that solution. Good idea. The task has a pretty heavy mental fatigue right now (0.4, if my memory serves), so you’d be able to make two per day if you had the batteries. That still seems like a lot, but maybe it isn’t given the need to find batteries. I’m still worried a bit about people finding a first order optimal strategy and just optimizing the fun out of the run.

One other consideration is whether it’s worth adding the special case. I like systems based stuff where behaviors emerge naturally, and adding special checks for whether the person has made a certain number seems to interfere with that. Or I’ll forget and make some change to the intelligence checks and end up with a strange bug.

Perhaps then it’s worth looking back to your earlier point about guaranteed success on any roll. Just thinking out loud: There’s always a 10% chance of success. I don’t really want to change that. If it’s changed so (net bonus after penalties > greater than the check) -> guaranteed success, then once a person’s int bonus exceeds 2 they auto succeed on everything (until they get tired). That seems a little imbalanced. Could also do the D&D thing where it has to be ten-over, which doesn’t have an exact mapping here. I’m going to have to think about it more. If I can’t find anything better then maybe the special case is fine.

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captainstupids9 days ago

Update on this from today: I’ve pretty much done this. After a few attempts at making things it becomes much easier to fabricate elastinup, dimorphex, and so on. It also takes less mental effort and the player can now remember the path to the lab.

Additionally, after becoming skilled in chemistry, the player can try to purify the mysterious liquids from their failures.

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HilitedDrake9 days ago

that is some amazing stuff, can’t wait to see how this new lab development plays out. I feel that it only makes sense that we should be able to remember a way to the lab since we can do it for both the farm and juicer. Also makes it easier to synthesize stuff as we no longer have to rely on heavy RNG

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