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Ryen's Lineage/Legitimacy

A topic by Milibread created Nov 01, 2022 Views: 1,112 Replies: 4
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So I had been wondering about this for awhile and I didn't find any topic that seems to mention this. (Maybe I missed them in which case ignore this comment) Will there be an event in the future that puts Ryen's claim to the throne to test? I mean, if I remember correctly Ryen just took the royal insignia by chance and there's no actual ties between him and the previous king of Central. (Is there?) 

It's been a long time since I last played the game with a fresh start so I don't really remember if this issue has been raised before. It would be interesting to see a member of the Saotome family find out that Ryen is not ummm forgot his name, would-be-king person who was killed. Would probably be intense, too. I think it could be a serious problem depending on Ryen's influence on the kingdom thus far. Like, it would depend on the path Ryen had taken.

Ryen could have earned the trust of Trey, Sir Edward and the others enough to the point that they don't mind the fact that he lied and would help him. The Saotome relative might be impressed by the prosperity and happiness they witness compared to the last time he/she was in Central and decide to not pursue the matter further as long as the realm stays that way, either out of respect or the knowledge that they would be unaided in their attempt to overthrow Ryen's claim and would have to bide their time. (Might open another questline)

On the other hand Ryen might have been unknown or even unpopular to the commons due to his outrageous taxes and unjust laws. Ryen would have to imprison or murder the Saotome relative in order to stay on the throne. If imprisoned, perhaps a deal would be made secretly between the two in the dungeons, hidden from the outside world. One that would secure Ryen's position as well as, if not more so than the kind ruler path. Either way, the matter will be settled for good. (Perhaps it would come with a nice bonus if the relative, ahem, is a woman?)

Just some ideas lol, I think it would be interesting but I'm not demanding anything (except uh, y'know, I'm asking about the answer to whether there will ever be a time when the "Saotome" part gets questioned.) 

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You remember correctly, Ryen has no real claim to the throne.

Trey mentions in one event that he's aware of it, but won't say anything as long as Ryen is a good king.

There is no one left alive of the Saotome family. That's one reason why Ryen can make that claim to the throne with only an emblem.

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Oh I must have forgotten about that. That's pretty good for Ryen then, and probably better for Central as well. (To have a king who is more motivated to rule kindly) Thanks for replying so quickly RyenSaotome! 

A bit shame for the original Saotome person though, I didn't even remember his name.   Nvrm I did a new game to see his name but it seems like he didn't have one lol

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well tbh a guy unable to protect himself,how much good he would have been for ruiling an already declining economy country with nothing to offer and empty states,it had nothing good and just issues which i don't think even greatest ruler of past era would go around solving so forget about that guy even thinking of it,then there is issues in start,when central was weak and on verge of war.

Ryen was best thing happened to central tbh,wether he take good path or few evil path.

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When you put it that way, I suppose so. However, Begus, Dorgania, and especially  Amagal had problems of their own at the time. Who sits on the throne or if they're able to hold their own in combat wouldn't matter much. No one would have the time to attack the country as a whole. (Besides, with ryen's lv at the beginning he would have been an easy target for an assassin anyway). If you play Ryen as a merciful king, sure, he's probably better than any of the other candidates, definitely better than the arrogant nobles, at any rate. Evil side though, (purely theoretical, because I don't think Trey would allow that) Ryen could be much worse than a random guy off the street. 

Imagine hearing about this as a commoner, your new king is a demon-like draconic who almost definitely harbors ill-will against humans. He is super-powerful, extremely lascivious, and spends his days hunting for maidens without so much as a backward glance at the state of the realm. He fathered countless children, many of them bastards. He sets atrocious taxes and harsh laws, making Dorgania look mellow by comparison. Worse, without Mira to soothe him, he often takes the true form of a dragon, wreaking havoc in his mindless rage everywhere on the map. Oh and his brother is trying to raise a golem army to form a dictatorship over the known world and possibly wipe out anyone he sees fit. Best case scenario, they fight each other and one of them dies with the other sufficiently weakened for the survivors to remove him. Worst case, they work together, and reduce freewill to a symbol of the long-gone past. 

Also, who will succeed the throne after him? I don't know if you're familiar with Fire&Blood, if you are, you probably understand what I'm worried about. Aegon the Unworthy is no match for him.

As mentioned before, the country is economically declining and militarily defunct. What better target of attack  is there for any of the three countries?  And what better excuse is there than a rash king with a disputable bloodline who spends his days meddling in other countries's affairs and creating diplomatic incidences?  It's sheer luck plus the support of all the faithful lords and friends around him that keeps Ryen safe and the kingdom prospering again. Lords and friends, who might not be so inclined to assist if Ryen has been a tyrant.