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Singular and Plural Tags need to be aliased automatically

A topic by Planetwendal created Mar 19, 2024 Views: 380 Replies: 12
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On Itch IO, there are preset tags already which automatically treat singular and plural words as being identical tags. For example, searching for "cat" or "cats" as a tag yields the same results. But for unofficial tags that don't quite convey fully a certain sub-genre, oftentimes hundreds of games become divided over trivial nomenclature such as being singular/plural or whether a word should be hyphenated or compound instead.

As a quick example:
Searching for "monster-girl" gives 115 results.
Searching for "monster-girls" gives 76 results.
Searching for"monstergirl" gives 58 results.
Searching for"monstergirls" gives 25 results.

For the most part all of these games just use one tag, so they are not easily cross-recommended by the algorithm or show up as search results when people try to browse games of the same genre. I did an experiment and messaged a few developers by recommending them to switch which tags they use to the most popular version and in some cases they claimed it doubled or even tripled their metrics (huge when the topic in particular happens to be a niche, but devoted fanbase).

The website should probably automatically lump together words it can identify as plurals of each other. If possible it should lump together hyphenated and non-hyphenated words automatically if they would be identical without the hyphen. Most immediately though, I'd recommend that those 4 tags in the example above be aliased together at least and possibly be made an official tag (big sales happening right now there). There are other direct examples I've seen over the years, but they escape my mind at the moment, and in terms of raw numbers this was a particularly egregious example since it currently covers multiple hundreds of titles.

-Best Regards

This is a lil bit of a hassle but worth it and definitely possible, bump.

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While on the topic, I did look through the new and popular section on Itch to see if any other categories came to immediate mind, and I noticed a few common categories that should probably be elevated, possibly made official in some capacity, or at least just simply aliased together for search result's sake:

"hide-and-seek" - 74 results
"hideandseek" - 14 results
"hideseek" - 5 results
"hide" - 45 results

^Has slightly different connotations than just "stealth"
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"femdom" - 233 results
"female-domination" - 31 results
"femaledomination" - 2 results
"dominatrix" - 6 results
"domme" - 1 result

^Just a quick example of another category with multiple hundreds of games that has a split tag argument. Happened to notice because its often linked with the monster-girl example in the OP.
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"monkey" - 327 results
"monkeys" - 42 results
"monke" - 78 results
"gorilla" - 90 results
"gorillas" - 4 results
"ape" - 22 results
"apes" - 2 results
"chimp" - 10 results
"chimps" - 2 results
"chimpanzee" - 1 result
"chimpanzees" - 1 result
"orangutan" - 0 results
"orangutans" - 3 results
"primate" - 1 result
"primates" - 1 result

^common genre especially for memes or jokes. "Ape together strong" this would be a big category if all of it were merged.
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I noticed many more smaller examples where hyphens or singular/plural forms split some very niche tags, but the above are just examples that cross over into the 100+ titles count and need a little bit more than just hyphen or plural fixes.

Neither gorillas or chimps or orangutans are equal, nor are femdom and dominatrix, nor hide and hide & seek. Stripping hyphens also leads to potentially different meanings: 10-year olds vs 10 year-olds, man eating vs man-eating, big-ass vs big ass, etc.

This is a slippery slope if implemented automatically and continuously, and the above are already signs.

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Well the tag is supposed to link together stuff that has similar interest. I would think primates are an umbrella search interest, but if any devs think otherwise, feel free to correct me. If someone were looking for orangutans specifically, they'd type that in the actual search bar and not as a tag.

Maybe dominatrix and femdom shouldn't be linked, but I would think "femdom" and "female-domination" should specifically as one is an abbreviation of the other. Likewise "dominatrix" and "domme" should as abbreviations.

To my knowledge, unofficial tags can't have spaces and any search attempt with a space has a hyphen, so "big ass" automatically becomes "big-ass".
"10-year olds" and "10 year-olds" becomes "10-year-olds" combined automatically so that sort of becomes moot.

Strangely, only official tags have spaces.

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10 year-olds means ten 1-year olds.

My point stands. Your vision is to basically destroy the usefulness of the tag system, by muddying things together. I, OTOH, don’t assume people are stupid.

In general, I would think that the majority of situations, the extra cross-traffic and page views would be more welcomed from having tags be more expansively aliased. Extra views means more customers.

It'd be easier imo to just approach the problem from the opposite direction: Let similar hyphen/compound words be automatically associated and code exceptions on a case-by-case basis.

If "monster-girl" is made into its own category, it should be aliased with many more things.

"monster-girl"
"monster-girls"
"monstergirl"
"monstergirls"
"elf"
"elves"
"succubus"
"succubi"
"lamia"
"lamias"
"mermaid"
"mermaids"
"harpy"
"harpies"
"dryad"
"dryads"
"slimegirl"
"slimegirls"
"slime-girl"
"slime-girls"
"dragongirl"
"dragongirls"
"dragon-girl"
"dragon-girls"
"lizardgirl"
"lizardgirls"
"lizard-girl"
"lizard-girls"

I'd just hope they don't associate the whole thing with Furry/furries as a tag, lol.
That could cause a bit of an advertising/browsing uproar lol.

People purposefully tag their stuff as "monster-girl" to make a particular point that it's not "furry".

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"Monster girls" implies to me monsters that are female, young-looking, and have either sexual or moe appeal.  This can overlap with all of your list, but elves can be (and frequently are) male, harpies can be (and frequently are) old, and even obviously "sexy" monsters like mermaids and dryads can be presented as inhuman horrors.

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Well, I am certain that there are folks out there who find male elves, old harpies, and C'thulu-esque mermaids/dryads to be attractive and/or adorable, but I'd agree with the sentiment that you were trying to make that "monster-girl" represents some specific visual style or at least a specific range of visual features.

I'm not trying to police anybody's interests or even enforce a specific style, but I do think that the monster-girls tag should be restricted to, well, girls (who are also monsters).  Male elves should be tagged monster-boys (assuming that "elves" even qualify as "monsters"), old harpies should be tagged monster-old-women, and eldritch mermaids should just be tagged monsters.

https://itch.io/post/9590521/view-in-topic

I made a post about possible tags/merges in the official dev thread for it. Just cross-posting here in case the discussion topic sparked some particular interest.

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All tag aliases will be done manually, no automated processing will happen at this time to avoid any misclassifications.