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S.I.N. and the Question of Strength

You argue that S.I.N. is not weak because the "pink monster girl" (presumably Eisheth Zenunim) was able to take on multiple Level 5s. That’s a fair point, but it doesn’t invalidate the original argument. The initial statement never claimed that no member of S.I.N. was strong—it stated that without Ella and her students, the organization as a whole wouldn’t be able to hold its own against HERO in terms of raw power. Just because a few individuals are powerful doesn’t mean the entire structure is strong enough to rival HERO on equal footing.

Kira Kelsey and Elijah Gunvald, despite being Level 5, are only lieutenants, meaning they aren’t on the same level as their captains. It’s also worth noting that Eisheth struggled against a Level 5 captain—Bernhardt Gunvald—who defeated her without much effort. In Superhuman, victory conditions don’t depend solely on power but also on strategy and skill. Furthermore, Kira Kelsey and Elijah Gunvald’s abilities were not well-matched against Eisheth, meaning their disadvantage wasn’t just a question of raw strength.

Jared’s Father’s Control Over S.I.N.

The claim that Jared’s father must have full control over S.I.N. simply because it’s “his version” doesn’t hold up. The phrase “his version” can just as easily mean that he helped shape or influence the organization, not that he has absolute authority over it. Additionally, while he may contribute some funding, that doesn’t mean he dictates S.I.N.'s decisions. Even if his financial support is relatively minor, it could still grant him some influence—but influence does not equal control.

Furthermore, it’s worth mentioning that S.I.N. is nothing more and nothing less than bait to attract the attention of HERO, stemming from Ella’s background. The organization itself isn’t necessarily meant to rival HERO in direct power but rather to serve as a distraction or a lure. This makes the discussion of its strength or leadership structure secondary to its actual purpose.

MC’s Mental Resistance vs. Jake and Charlie

The argument that MC resisted Jake, who is supposedly stronger than Charlie in terms of mental abilities, is a valid point. However, resistance does not mean immunity. Jake’s abilities rely on the target being within his attack range and hearing his commands. MC was able to counter this by removing his ability to hear, effectively neutralizing Jake’s power.

Charlie’s ability, however, works differently.

• Conditional Immortality – Charlie cannot be killed unless specific conditions are met. If injured by someone who does not meet these conditions, she regenerates instantly.
• Geas (Mystic Rule) – She can impose rules on a person, and breaking them results in various consequences.
• Taboo (Forced Restraint) – If the geas isn’t enough, she can impose a taboo, which causes increasing damage to the offender and can even nullify powers.
• Pacts and Vows – If someone willingly enters into a pact or vow with Charlie, both parties gain benefits, and it can further strengthen the taboos she imposes.

Her power is not strictly mental—it’s based on invulnerability, rule enforcement, and mystical punishments. Just because Jake’s mental powers are stronger doesn’t mean they function the same way as Charlie’s, nor does it mean she wouldn’t have alternative ways to affect MC.

S.I.N.: Secretive vs. Deceptive

You argue that S.I.N. doesn’t lie, only that they have secrets. However, there’s a difference between “not lying” and “not distorting or withholding information.” Just because Charlie answered a question doesn’t mean S.I.N. as a whole is transparent or trustworthy. Answering strategically to control a narrative isn’t the same as being completely honest.

Accusations of "Twisting Words"

You accuse the other person of twisting your arguments, yet you interpret "Jared’s father’s version of S.I.N." as necessarily meaning he has complete control. Additionally, you take the statement that S.I.N. wouldn’t be as strong without Ella to mean that no member of S.I.N. is strong—which was never said. This pattern of overinterpretation suggests that the misrepresentation may not be on the other side.

At the end of the day, this debate isn’t about twisting words or throwing insults—it’s about analyzing the story’s logic and the roles of different factions. S.I.N. has strong individuals, but that doesn’t automatically make the entire organization as powerful as HERO. Jared’s Father has influence, but influence isn’t the same as control. MC has grown stronger, but resistance to one ability doesn’t guarantee immunity to another.

Instead of relying on extreme interpretations and personal attacks, a more productive discussion would focus on the actual narrative and mechanics presented in the game. If we want to debate effectively, we should engage with what’s truly being said rather than what we assume is being implied.

Ah, impressive. You managed to cram in a bunch of profanity, some unfounded assumptions, and even threw in a weak personal insult at the time. Truly a brilliant argument. Now, let’s break this mess down.

First, you keep insisting that I literally said the MC would fight head-on with no strategy, but somehow you can’t pinpoint where that was said. Weird, huh? Maybe because you’re twisting what was actually said to fit your narrative?

Then you accuse me of “twisting your words” while ironically doing exactly that to myself. Interesting strategy—not very effective, but definitely interesting.

And that last part? “No one came to your bitch ass defense.” Oh yeah, because obviously debates are won by like counts and cheerleaders rather than the actual quality of the argument. Very mature.

In short, you’re not debating—you’re just venting frustration and building a straw man to knock down.