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DrManatee4 years ago (2 edits) (+1)

I ended up figuring it out by randomly mashing the keyboard LMAO. Looking at the controls was probably the better way of doing it though. I got thru the cave to the icey part, and I can say that I really appreciate the coyote time on the tunnel drone parts. The cave area is excellent and fun, and I appreciate the ability to explore for extra health pickups.

The icey Getting Over It part is very frustrating, which might very well be the intention. The higher jumps seemed so tight that you couldn't make them if you jump off the edge of the platform, you can only make them by abusing coyote time. That combined with the huge amount of backtracking you need to do each time you fail a jump makes it feel very discouraging. I feel like either tight jumps or losing all your progress on a failed jump can be fine, but the combination of both is kind of unfair. I'll have to come back to it later to try and beat it.

Michael Grieshofer4 years ago

yeah getting over it was actually the inspiration for the mountains , but I don't think the jumps there are so tight that you have to use your coyote time , at least my little brother did not have to much issues , maybe you are missing something ?

DrManatee4 years ago

Your little brother is probably just better than me!

This is the part I was talking about, I finally made it but only because I waited until I was falling off the edge of the platform to jump

DrManatee4 years ago

Now I am unsure of where to go next after I get the warp on top of the mountain. It seems to loop around to the start but I am not sure where I need to go to progress. Also is it possible to teleport between warps? I accidentally hit the cave warp when looking for where to go next

Michael Grieshofer4 years ago

if you are on the top of the mountain where the checkpoint is , you just have to go left until you enter in the next area , and a small tip :

try jumping as the morph drone to jump further

DrManatee4 years ago

Oh I see, I assumed it was down because I didn't see any platforms

DrManatee4 years ago (1 edit)

Right, so I remembered I had already entered the purple area, but it seems to just go downwards until it turns into the first area. Here is the part I am talking about. When I went downwards and to the left from the place in the picture I ended up back at the start

Michael Grieshofer4 years ago

yes the map loops into itself , now the game opens up a lot , there are a many secrets and new abilities hidden , just try exploring the old areas and memorize the map layout .

I know that this part is very slow paced , but that's a design choice i intended , if you played hollow knight for instance , this would be the part after the city of tears , where the game lets you explore almost the whole map , it is the feeling of being lost in a unknown place and slowly figuring out where things are , its that part of a metroidvania I tried to replicate , it is my first one tho , so if you really cant find anything at all I will give you a hint .

but maybe this is just me and the being lost part is not enjoyable for most people and I'm just weird ..

DrManatee4 years ago

ok sweet I'll get back to exploring! I think what makes that work in hollow knight is that there is a world map that allows the player to orient themselves and chart out where the next zones would be based on the open spaces on the map. But I really do respect that choice to have the game loop back again, now that I know I need to explore I will enjoy it a lot more! I do enjoy the exploration bit a lot and I think it's a good idea to have in the game! I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss a n exit or something and was running in circles. I think a small hint to the player that they are making progress would be beneficial though

DrManatee4 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

Thinking about it more, I think even extendind the purple area more, where the only area with grass is the original area the player was in, would help a lot with orienting the player and letting them know they are making progress. Also, got the wall climb and triple jump! Unfortunately, this patch of ground is bugged and causes the player to disappear and makes the menu not work either, forcing you to close and restart

Michael Grieshofer4 years ago

I never encountered that bug and i have no idea why it should appear , I'll have a look and see if I can reproduce it , can you tell me exactly how it happened ?

DrManatee4 years ago

I managed to reproduce it twice. I climbed up the wall in that area, killed the enemy, then when i fell back down in drone form it happened.

Also is there a powerup that lets you shoot while in drone form? I am not sure if I'm missing a powerup or missing a technique to get past this part. I looked thru what I believe to be the entire grass area and didn't find anything

Michael Grieshofer4 years ago

I managed to reproduce the bug every time now , you have to push against to right wall and be in the drone form for it to work , I have no idea why this is and it frustrates me so much , there is nothing special there , why is it so specific ? maybe it helps when I change the tilel around a bit , hopefully ..

tell me when you encounter another bug and thanks for telling me

DrManatee4 years ago

Such is the nature of bugs, they make no sense whatsoever. I'll let you know if I find anymore, although at the moment I am stuck so I could use a hint, I showed a picture in my other reply!

Michael Grieshofer4 years ago

I did manage to fix the bug , somehow there is a pixel gap in this specific location on the tilemap , its not a problem with my code or collision , its just a small weirdness that happens on this exact tile , the same thing doesn't happen anywhere else, and if I change the the two tiles below the fall it doesnt happen , now I'm scared that there could be more places like that

for a quick hint :

try going into the cave and jump down to the lowest point

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