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gabichete3 years ago (3 edits) (+2)

Hello! You have created such a fantastic feature, I would love to contribute :)

Spanish Translation

CARD VALUE LIGATURES

ACE - AS (A)
TWO - DOS
THREE - TRES
FOUR - CUATRO
FIVE - CINCO
SIX - SEIS
SEVEN - SIETE
EIGHT - OCHO
NINE - NUEVE
TEN - DIEZ
JACK - JOTA / SOTA (J)
QUEEN - REINA (Q)
KING - REY (K)

CARD SUIT LIGATURES

HEARTS - CORAZON (CORAZÓN) / COPAS*
DIAMONDS - ROMBO / DIAMANTE / OROS*
CLUBS - TREBOL (TRÉBOL) / BASTOS*
SPADES - PICA / ESPADAS*

Card suits are usually plural (ie. corazones, rombos, tréboles, picas), but it would break the character limit so I think this is our best choice, but feel free to offer others. I put the options with proper accents but I don't think it is needed, since many programs do not compute them anyway and Spanish speakers are used to this limitation.

* Copas, oros, bastos and espadas are actually the suits of the Spanish deck, but they are sometimes transposed into the English one for ease of people who have only ever used that one.

Logic is VALUE then SUIT. So a two of hearts would be DOS_CORAZON.

JOKER LIGATURES

JOKER - JOKER / COMODIN (COMODÍN)
RED - ROJO
BLACK - NEGRO

JOKER_ROJO and JOKER_NEGRO would be the standard way. We also do not abbreviate colours, so my suggestions are to either write JOKER_R and JOKER_N, or maybe to put a white/black pip to indicate red/black respectively.

YES/NO/AND/BUT DICE LIGATURES

YES - SI (SÍ)
NO - NO
AND - Y
BUT - PERO

SYMBOL DICE LIGATURES

CHECK/TICK (checkmark) - VISTO / TIC
CROSS (an X shape) - CRUZ
CIRCLE/NOUGHT/RING - CIRCULO (CÍRCULO)
PLUS (+) - MAS (MÁS)
MINUS (-) - MENOS
BLANK - BLANCO / NADA
SLASH (/) - BARRA
EXCLAMATION (!) (Dicier uses EXCLAIM for this icon in English to keep the code short) - EXCLAMAR **
QUESTION (?) - PREGUNTAR **

** Proper terms are "exclamación" and "interrogación" respectively, which just won't do, so I changed them to "to exclaim" and "to ask". Again, opinions welcome.

COIN LIGATURES

HEADS - CARA
TAILS - CRUZ
ANY_FLIP - CUALQUIER / CUALQUIERA ***

WILDCARD LIGATURES

ANY - CUALQUIER / CUALQUIERA***

*** Damn you, languages with gendered nouns! If these are too long, I would recommend ALGUNO / ALGUNA instead.

gabichete3 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

For transparency:

Edit 1: Misclick (oops).

Edit 2: Changed "pica" and "espadas" around, since "pica" is the proper English way.

Edit 3: Added "COMODIN" as an option for JOKER. Usually the latter is used when talking specifically about the English deck, but I would rather cover more options than less.

Speak the Sky3 years ago

Thanks for this! Some questions from me:

Do reina and rey use Q and K in Spanish to avoid confusion (since otherwise they're both R)?
For jokers: the colour abbreviation is for the icon, not the code—check the User Guide's section on jokers to see what I mean. For example, the red joker could have 'R O J' to its left, and the black one could have 'N E G', as long as that makes sense in Spanish (English doesn't have standard colour abbreviations either).
Is 'visto' used for checkmarks (✓)?
On exclamation and question marks... I'm thinking about removing these from Dicier, because they're used extremely rarely on dice and they're causing problems in every translation so far (and, hell, I had to cut EXCLAMATION to EXCLAIM in the first place). So, no worries here.
How about switching to 'todos' for 'any' dice and dominoes (I have a solution in mind for the double-all domino) and 'los dos' for 'any' coins?
On accents—I'll include codes (and guide-letters) with and without.
On suits—I'll be drawing the actual symbols for the Spanish suits (bastos, oros, etc.) and re-using the English suits for the translated English ones (picas, trebols, etc.). Like you suggest, it'd be best to turn the plurals into singles for the English suits (even for the ones that are short enough).

gabichete3 years ago (1 edit) (+1)

1. Reina and Rey: Yes, we use Q & K :)

2. Jokers: No, that super makes sense, I just don't know how well people will get it? But ROJ / NEG does seem like the best choice.

3. Visto: Yes :)

4. Todos: I mean that could work; "todos" means "all", "los dos" means "the two", and "cualquier/a" and "alguno/a" mean "any"(1). I think any of these options can work because they are all easily understandable with a guide, but my assumption was that "any" was preferable. Don't think it'll be much of a problem regardless!

Edit 1: The difference between them, as best as I can explain it, is that "cualquier/a" refers to a determinate amount of entities while "alguno/a" does not specify, and since we know the faces of a die or the sides of a coin "cualquier" makes more sense but "alguno" is likewise understandable.

Speak the Sky3 years ago

1-3: Good to know.

4: I'll probably go with ALGUNO/A for dice, then. For coins, do you think people would understand 'M' as 'moneda'? e.g., 'ALGUNO_M'. Similarly, would e.g. 'ALGUNA_D' work for 'any domino', as in, a domino that could be any number on both sides? They'd only be used in situations where other coin-flips/dominoes are being used, so people would already know what objects are being used.

I'll also be putting out a test document (for sight-readers and TTS users when the icons are done, so there'll be a chance for revisions later.

gabichete3 years ago

M for moneda and D for domino will work for certain. I think the ALGUNA_D will perhaps confuse some at first but there really aren't many alternatives so I would say go for it. Perhaps using only ALGUNO instead of changing between genders will make it easier to understand, honestly, because since they would change with number/suit/etc. it feels pretty trivial to try to contain it within the gender separation.

Speak the Sky3 years ago

I've found a couple of ways to get around the character limit for things like this, so ALGUNO_M/D won't be necessary—I can do the full ALGUNO_MONEDA and ALGUNO_DOMINO. It shouldn't be a problem to put in gendered versions either, as long as I know what they are. The only things that will combine with 'ALGUNO' are a die, a domino, and a coin, if that helps.

There's also a few more words I'm adding in the soon-to-be-released v1.1:

PIPS and DOTS (as in, on dice). Either or both is fine, e.g. in the French translation I've only written one, POINTS.
ON (as in, rolling a 4 on a d6).
UP (as in, "this side up", e.g. the top face of a die).

gabichete3 years ago

That sounds great!

PIPS: PUNTOS

ON: EN

UP: ARRIBA

Speak the Sky3 years ago

Thanks! Is there a shorter alternative for ARRIBA? Is it shorter to say 'top' than 'up'? Everything else is fine, but the word in that set of codes has to be 5 letters or less.

Also, are these the same in Galician?

gabichete3 years ago(+1)

Yes, they are the same in Galician, this post included :)

I have two proposals: 1) we could use "ALTO" (ie. "high") to imply that the side that's up is the "high face", or 2) we could use "ARRIB" and omit the last letter hoping people understand the need for limitations.

Speak the Sky3 years ago

ALTO would probably be better (I'm trying to avoid cutting up words where I can), but I did also just get a suggestion of 'bet/wager' for the French version. Would that work better?

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Speak the Sky3 years ago

Spanish and Galician translation tests are now available in the new devlog!

Speak the Sky3 years ago

Dunno if you've seen this yet, but I released Dicier v1.2 yesterday—it's got the Spanish and Galician translations, among other things.

gabichete3 years ago(+1)

oh that's wonderful! I had seen the tests, but not the update itself. hope everything goes well with it! it was truly a pleasure, hit me up whenever to contribute again :)

Speak the Sky3 years ago

Thank you—that time is now! I'm adding even and odd dice results to the next version of Dicier, so I need to know how to write both those words. For now, the only codes for these icons will be the words EVEN and ODD, so the translations can use anywhere up to the full 8 characters.

Leo Andrade3 years ago(+1)

for Brazilian Portuguese:

EVEN = PAR

ODD = ÍMPAR

gabichete3 years ago(+1)

EVEN - PAR

ODD - IMPAR

For both Spanish and Galician :)

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CARD VALUE LIGATURES

CARD SUIT LIGATURES

JOKER LIGATURES

YES/NO/AND/BUT DICE LIGATURES

SYMBOL DICE LIGATURES

COIN LIGATURES

WILDCARD LIGATURES