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TinkerTonks2 years ago(+6)(-3)

0.1.2 released Nov 28 2020.

Ignoring Events, there hasnt been an update in 2 years. And dev has now said its still going to be a few months for 0.1.3?

I'm glad I'm not a patreon. Imagine paying 'x' month after month for over 2 years for no actual content.

I'm sympathetic of your struggles in your personal life but theres comes a point where it just seems like you're taking peoples money, making up a few gifs and polls and stringing people along.

You're literally getting $5,000+ a month through Patreon. So youve made approx $120,000 since the last actual content update.

No one else think that's a bit mad?

Komisari2 years ago(+3)(-5)

Hello! You nor anyone is forced to support me. I have never faked the release date for people to pledge and then said "Oh, my bad, I will change the release date again!".

If people are paying my content is because they liked it, plus, I have lots of new Patrons per day, and I lose a lot more. Per day.

I could understand if I had faked a release date, but I always say that the moment that the update will be available, I will post 30 days before announcing it.

And I think you are confused, I haven't made any poll. I just upload sneak peeks, including, entire events with dialogue and etc.

TinkerTonks2 years ago(+4)(-2)

Thanks for the reply. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy your gane and look forward to the update.

That said, taking over 2 years to push an update when thousands are supporting your monitarily is a bit of a wind up.

Your patreon shows you are taking over $5,000 per month from people. The "goal" you set specifically says you'll be "full time developing" but its literally over 2 years for a +0.0.1.

I just think your patrons deserve a bit better that weekly updates explaining why there isnt an update.

At $5k+ per month surely you can hire help? Do something more to give back to the people who've invested in you.

TinkerTonks2 years ago(+4)(-2)

Also, it's very very easy to say "well no one is forced to give me money" - the point is, they do.

They believe in your game, they believe in your ability to produce the game to a good standard. They enjoy the story arc and the other bits. They support you.

As a developer, saying "no one is forced to support me" is taboo. If they all suddenly stopped today, what would happen?

Tipsy The Cat2 years ago(-5)

You need to use more than one braincell my fellow person. ( = w = )

Think, if you were a patreon and they have not updated the game, would you continue to be a patreon or would you stop being one and just wait for new stuff and then go back?

Komisari2 years ago (1 edit) (+3)(-3)

Saying that the next update is a +0.0.1 is just stupid. I call it that way so that v0.2.0 can be Chapter 2, not Chapter 1.
Despite just being a +0.0.1, the update could EASILY be Hero's Harem Guild 2.

It MORE than duplicates the actual content, and it has WAY more quality than before, with lots of new stuff, I'm sorry but you can't grab me with the "+0.0.1".

Also, it's not taboo, you are not forced to support me if you don't like my workflow or you don't believe me. I am what I say on the Patreon posts, I'm not lying to anyone. I'm not promising you something but an eventual update, not even WHEN it happens. That's up to you to decide if you want to support me.

I only say; The update will come out and will be amazing in quality. I'm pretty proud of my work, and I'm confident as hell about what I'm doing. I want Hero's Harem Guild to be one of the best H games out there, and I'm pretty sure it'll be close to it.

Now, again, up to you to decide if you want to support/believe me or not. And it's not the only thing I say; if you want to know what I say to my Patrons, check the latest patreon post.

If they all suddenly stopped today, I would probably have to move from my actual house to my old house, sell my car and continue working on the development there. And if something happens to my computer or whatever, I have enough savings to be able to fix it, in case you want to put me in a more critical situation. I have family that will probably help me financially to continue working.

There is no stopping the update, not even if everyone leaves Patreon. I made v0.1.2 in an old house with a shitty computer and a 2x2 room. This is my game, and it will be finished.

Slapped2 years ago

o7

TriggerChan2 years ago(+4)

-I've gotta say something. There's no need for reply but I hope you read it. Basically just be careful not to get too emotional in your responses to your player base. No matter how right you are, people deeply resent those that try to demand sympathy while having a position of control. You could end up like Yandere Dev or the No Man Sky team if you're not careful.

-In essence the reality of the difficulty of game development goes over the heads of the consumer base. Thus untruthful rumors arise to suggest the dev's are taking advantage of them and the support they give. Its a tale as old as time, and I don't want that for such an aspiring and capable Dev like yourself.

-Basically you've been doing great with non-professional PR by just putting your nose to the grind-stone and showing proof that you're working onto your discord. There's no need to bend to the whim of those speculating your trustworthiness with reassurances at every opportunity, simply redirecting them to your discord should suffice.

-The long and short is the more you interact with the community's concerns the more likely they're turn on you through no fault but their own misunderstanding-based conspiracy and speculation. Alternatively just showing you've made progress with minimal communication goes a long way to build rapport- speaking through your actions rather than words.

-TL;DR Just keep up the good work and if anyone questions you, tell them to check your discord just like you have. Don't falter at this leg of the race and show weakness or frustration. Your image is Komisari, the guy who takes 2 years to update his game because he knows its gonna be worth the wait, and gives him time to learn and implement a better foundation and methods. You can't let them taint that image by suggesting your might regret it and thus might be incompetent or flaky. No matter how untrue it is, it's what they'll believe if you show any vague signs it could be true. SO just keep working man, prove them wrong through actions and results.

(btw hiring people or getting volunteers isn't as good as it sounds unless you structure it perfectly and everyone is competent in their role. Even a dream team can become a nightmare if Egos, communication problems, unreliability, scheduling, and etc arise. So don't let people pressure you to build a team if you make enough money to hire help unless you're prepared to iron out pipelines and management issues and can invest in the overhead of accounting for the expense and literal overhead)

GL and Godspeed. I know you can make it!

Komisari2 years ago(-2)

Hello! It will be quick, I think the same about hiring people. It requires me to structure lots of stuff, and I do not feel capable of, I have no experience with it. I think I could do a good job, but that can be hell if not managed properly.

Thank you!

haremguy2 years ago

this brings tears of joy to me <3 i hope you never give up on HHG no matter what

Nyxsys1 year ago(+1)

wow, new car, new house, no new update. keep up good work ! u deserve as much as doge coin investor !

Komisari1 year ago(-1)

Hello, there was a new update soon ago.

Nevaro2 years ago(+1)

tbh yeah I mean, I don't know how long it takes to make a game like this. Perhaps he really is just holding out for the largest update ever (For some reason?) rather than making smaller more frequent updates to the game. Whatever the case, Patreon as a platform seems to reward slow development. It's like "Oh I get paid by the month. Yeah uhhh the next update will be ready in... not 2 and a a half years.. Maybe a few months past that even..."

ACanOfDrink2 years ago(-3)

Have you ever stopped to consider the potential risks and liabilities one has to go through when creating a high-quality, high-quantity, but time-killing game? By themselves at that? Furthermore, if you want a game like this done earlier instead of later, how about you start making actual efforts at doing something positive for a change? Instead of complaining to the developer, you could contribute and/or give moral support to the developer ALONGSIDE the masses that have waited almost 2 years, yeah? You joined in 2021, whereas many others have waited longer than you, so be considerate of those who have spent their time doing ACTUALLY beneficial deeds to society, such as working, politics, and whatever else is helpful to the society at this time, rather than rambling their half-baked complaints to the developer like you are currently doing. Every game developer has constraints, limits, and other possible liabilities that could possibly get in their way and potentially become a big threat accomplishing their goals. Komisari is no different, possibly more hard-working than most. Take a hint, and stop being selfish please and thank you. Good day.

TinkerTonks2 years ago(+2)

Dude, it's not selfish to ask questions. Especially more so when money is being exchanged. So perhaps consider removing your nose from the dev's anus and let people ask their questions - of which this area is literally here to allow.

This was all settled and cleared up 2 weeks ago, and now you're opening it again and adding this unecessary reply, for what?

Being selfish is to do something for one's own benefit as a detriment to others. Asking questions is not selfish. Telling people they cant ask specific questions or say specific things is fascism. And I'm sure you're not a fascist, are you?

ACanOfDrink2 years ago(-3)

Never needed to know such an unnecessary word since it does not describe me at all. Also, I'm just voicing my thoughts similar to what you're doing, but my comments are actually passive-aggressive, whereas you're just straight-up hounding the developer over their efforts at putting 200% quality into their game's coding and whatnot. Like they said, you do not NEED to pay him if you're not a big fan of "patience", yet you're still pestering 'em. Even if you're not supporting the developer financially, you could try being more optimistic. Also, whoever decides to use financial support as their go-to since the developer is usually busy editing their game, it's their money, not yours. Let them be who decides what their hard-earned money is being invested into. It's really none of your concern what others use their money for. (FYI, I don't really care if this discussion was finished 20 days ago, I was just late to the party is all, since I'm busy with my job and other useful daily activities.) Have a good day.