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I've found some posts that could indicate that this is true.
Unfortunately, since the original comment made by Lipstor was apparently deleted, the only way to gather more information on this would be to address Lipstor directly. Out of respect for their privacy and mental health, as well as my lack of expertise on such a touchy subject, I don't think I should pursue this line of questioning. I do note that I see nobody accusing Lipstor of using suicide as a persuasion tactic against Mofu nor do they state any reason other than stress and a bad mood for why Lipstor would have considered suicide in the posts I found. Also it seems Mofu themself realized that Lipstor was stressed and needed to calm down. Regardless, it seems that Lipstor decided not to commit suicide and that they have since not made any other posts alluding to wanting to commit suicide. I can't really come to any conclusion on this with the current information I have other than it's good that Lipstor didn't commit suicide, since that would be terribly tragic. Also, constant bullying and people literally saying that Lipstor should kill themself and that nobody loves them could possibly be a factor in their considering of suicide. I'm not going to say that those reasons alone are a good reason to consider suicide, but those two reasons could be compounding with existing conditions for Lipstor. I don't believe we should so lightly blame Lipstor without the full picture of their living situation, which they have no obligation to, nor do I expect them to, provide. However, this is all mostly speculation on my part, so I would understand any criticism that comes my way for this analysis.
I wasn't excusing Lipstor's behavior in these situations. You do have a point that a public forum for a NSFW futanari focused erotic video game is not a great place to mention suicidal tendencies. That sort of topic is difficult for many people and can create a negative mood. Topics of suicide are best discussed with personal friends, family, or professionals in private environments. Directly dealing with your claim, "I don't think a bad life is a reason for one to hurt others easily. . ." I don't believe a bad life is an excuse for hurting others either, and I wasn't trying to claim otherwise. As for your claim of "I bet there are some more miserable people in the world than him,so could they do harm to others?" How miserable a person is is hard to quantify, and at any given moment someone could have it worse than someone else. I don't think that argument really adds anything to this topic. Of course, if this was just a rhetorical question, then I get it, but it's hard to convey that in text and can lead to misinterpretation. I have to object to your claim that "nobody cares whether a person is sick or not . . ." I feel that not taking into account that someone is sick is refusing to acknowledge a possible reason or variable for their behavior, which can lead to a loss of context. Let me make it clear that I do not believe that someone should be absolved of responsibility even if they do have some sort of sickness, though. I must also object to your claim that nobody cares about ". . . what a person really thinks." Not caring about what a person really thinks, and not seeking the explanation behind their reasoning seems like a large deal of what has spurred on this conflic to begin with. I've been saying that a breakdown of communication is what seems to be happening here and that not caring what someone really think could be a major factor of that.
I would also like to address the character of this "wind" or Wind blowing on summer individual as well. I have seen them post quite nasty things in regards to Lipstor. I'll show the post I had cited earlier as an example.
You stated yourself that you ". . . don't think a bad life is a reason for one to hurt others . . ." However, you admit that you believe that Wind was in a bad mood yesterday. So if I understand your logic correctly, it should not be right for Wind to say that Lipstor was supposed to have committed suicide and that they believe that nobody likes or loves Lipstor. I'm not just saying its Wind who should stop bullying, and I don't care who started the bullying because I believe everyone needs to stop with the name calling and taking things out of context. Everyone here is equally responsible for upholding a civil and organized discussion. In fact, discussion should mainly be focused on Futaken Valley itself. The only reason I've been addressing these drama issues is because I believe that the drama itself is affecting Futaken Valley's status and its developer Mofu. Of course, it's ultimately Mofu who will let us know how or if the conflicts have been affecting them, after all they are capable of expressing their own thoughts.
I'd like to ask you another question, Yamaho. What is your purpose for being involved with this game's comments section and community?
I mean no disrespect towards you and I respect that you've given me your time, Yamaho. I do appreciate that you are explaining your position, knowledge, and insight of this situation.
Lipstor, it is possible that Yamaho isn't lying when they say that they have been " . . . browsing this forum for a long time . . ." You can browse a comment thread without having an account. So even with a 10 day old account, it is possible that Yamoho has been reading the comments without having an account for over half a year. As for Yamaho and Wind talking in their language to one another without having had prior interaction visible on this site, I don't have much I can say there. I'd need to find or recieve some more examples to come to any conclusion. Unfortunately it's getting late for me and I'm beginning to lose focus, so I may be heading to bed shortly.
I have no way of knowing for sure where Yamaho has been on the internet before browsing this forum. This forum is public and requires no actual Itch.io account to be able to read every thread in this forum. You only need an Itch.io account to be able to post messages yourself. It's likely that Yamaho just found this game while browsing Itch.io, that's how I found this game. While it's true that Yamaho has only just started actually posting in this forum, you can read the forum without commenting or even having an account. Yamaho themself has admitted to having been " . . . following this forum for several months . . ." and that they ". . . applied for account recently. . ." They even explain that they " . . . will often read the comments for knowing the possible content of game . . ." Which they said they did before they applied for an Itch.io account. I have yet to see any lead that indicates that they're connected to the piracy forum you've mentioned. I doesn't mean that there isn't one, it just means I haven't found it yet if it does exist. It's not easy parsing all this info and providing quotes, so it's possible I have failed to notice some information. Sorry if I've misinterpreted what you meant.
I've only see you reply to Wind a couple times in your chat history, so that backs up your claim of not knowing Wind. However, since alts are easy to make, it's possible that you have created alt accounts and talked with Wind before. However, I find that unlikely since looking through Wind's comments a lot of them are talking to Mofu or Lipstor, and not really any other users. However, I don't think it's wise for you to comment on Wind's posts in any regard. It seems they've let passion get the better of them and the insults they are posting are clear violations of the Itch.io community guidlines. They add nothing to the conversation and contain very few valid criticisms. Even if there were valid criticisms, adding insults does nothing but undermind your reputation and argument. That is why I've tried to be as respectful as I can when addressing others here. You've made some good arguments yourself, Yamaho, but I can't disregard the insults you've slipped into your arguments against Lipstor. In one of your other responses to me you even claim that Lipstor " . . . can't understand human language . . ." which is just a blatant falsehood that adds nothing to your argument. I already know you don't like Lipstor, that insult is doing nothing but evoking Lipstor and inviting more drama. So if you want this comment section to be ". . . a game forum, not a toilet." Then I reccommend you refrain from insults and instead offer criticism with valid evidence to back up your claims.
Thank you Yamaho. I'm afraid I'm not really here to persuade Lipstor to change their behavior. I'm just trying to gather viewpoints, context, and facts around this situation so that everyone can make informed thoughts on what has been happening here. Providing this may help others, including Lipstor, understand what issues may be causing this drama. It's a lot of work for something I really probably shouldn't even care about or even gotten involved in, but oh well. I guess my curiosity got the better of me. Regardless, I do want to see this game succeed, and making sure the community doesn't tear itself apart should help in that goal.
I can agree with these points. As I've said earlier, Lipstor should be discussing their mental health in private, either with friends, family, or professionals. I think you're right that it's probably not best to post one's personal mental health issues online. After all, not everyone wants to hear about someone else's struggles with mental help, especially in a forum that has nothing to do with the topic. I agree that the dev should have more respect for their own views and goals for their game. I did mention earlier that "I think the most important person to please in this situation [individually developing a game] would be yourself [Mofu]." Especially since I don't think it's possible for the dev to please everyone in this situation, at least not in a reasonable time frame or manner. I do wish to caution you however, Yamaho, that I think it would be best for you to make sure that you're not contributing to off-topic or otherwise hurtful discussion. Just, try to be mindful and civil and to stay on the topic of the game's development. Thanks for taking the time to read my comment.
Thanks for the information Lipstor and I'm sorry for your situation. If you have more private means of communicating with Mofu and others who have concern for your wellbeing, you may want to use those channels instead of this open forum, though. I would still urge you to find more professional help though if you're still having suicidal thoughts. Resources for mental health varies depending on one's location, so I would like to suggest you take some time to take care of yourself and seek whatever help you think you may need. I would also say it may be wise to take a short break from this forum to help you reduce what seems to be a large stressor for you.
I do have a question, though. Why can't you delete your own comments? Or is there some misunderstanding? I ask because I was just able to make a post on the comments and then delete it. Refreshing the page doesn't even show a "message deleted" notification either. Do you have any ways of proving that your message was deleted directly by an Itch.io moderator? I've reviewed the Itch.io community rules at the following link: https://itch.io/docs/general/community-rules and it is possible for Itch.io moderators to remove and even suspend accounts if certain posts are deemed too inappropriate. I just wanted to point out a possible discrepancy with you claiming that you can't delete your own posts.
Lipstor, I'm curious about Cynthia's event. What fix exactly does it require? I just tested the Cynthia event on the latest version as of now and didn't notice any clear major bugs with it. The only thing I can note is that after defeating Cynthia, there is an exit to the left that is not active. I know the game's not complete so I expect there to be some loading zones that haven't been implemented yet.
Ah, I get it. You want there to be something that hints the player that they should bring the dog with them before entering Cynthia's area. I can understand that idea. The wall idea is one solution, but I'm sure there's other solutions as well that Mofu may be trying to test. Mofu did mention adding some sort of quest log. Maybe the quest log could hint towards needing the dog to trigger the event. I wouldn't say that adding a wall is a "fix" to Cynthia's event, rather that what triggers Cynthia's even should be more obvious, expecially if Cynthia will be a required fight to progress. I can understand that you're frustrated since you have to often answer the question of how to initiate Cynthia's event, but maybe Mofu will think of some way to indicate to the player that the dog is necessary in future updates where Mofu adds more story or mechanics.
The idea seems sound, but if Mofu doesn't want to add it, it is ultimately their choice. I don't think Mofu means any disrespect to you when they decide that they don't want to add something you suggest. It may be a bit dissapointing, but I don't think it's anything to need to continuously ask for. If Mofu said they're not interested in the choice before, they probably won't change their mind now.