....wow...the community really lost it over harem girls screwing each other in a harem game?...That's just pathetic. But not as pathetic as a dev who bends over backwards for the sake of an angry mob of narrow minded nut jobs who clearly don't know what things like harems, polygamy, and polyamory actually entail. Since people appear to be too selfish and narrowminded to understand a few things I'll do my best to educate the ignorant...that's if they even have the brain capacity to learn something new... Lesson one: despite what manga and anime would have you believe polyamory in general often if not always is a two way street. If you're going to be screwing around with or making love to multiple partners than it only makes sense that you should be fine with your partners getting intimate with other people or in the case of a harem each other. Lesson two: a situation like a harem where multiple people love the same person can be a very passionate yet very sexually frustrating situation and sometimes your partners will either become attracted to one another or will tease you by fondling or screwing each other to either make you jealous or want to join in. Lesson 3: and this is important...if sexual teasing, three ways, sexual bullying, or girls screwing each other to get a rise out of their shared lover is a turnoff for you than the harem genre in general may not be to your liking and I would suggest you find a genre that is a little more vanilla or at least a genre that doesn't have the potential to address issues that come with sharing a partner or women slowly becoming attracted to one another, or sexual and intimate frustration... morons...
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And Dev... You should show more spine and stand by your own creative choices. It's a porn game not everyone's going to like everything you come up with. And some will even be put off by it and leave. This made me stop and think about whether I should play your game or not. If YOU didn't like some of the content you put out than fine, it happens, take it out, explain that you didn't like how it turned out, and move on. But if this becomes a constant thing where you are removing perfectly good content and inhibiting your own creativity just to appease some wailing man children than there is genuinely no point in playing your game and you WILL eventually lose your fanbase to what amounts to a small angry mob. Just make the game you like if it's a hit than great if not than try to come up with something even better next time. But please do NOT try to appease everyone otherwise you will end up pleasing no one. That's my two cents do with it what you will.
I understand you, and it is the same as explaining to one what it means to have a polyamorous relationship, but it seems that the only harems that were seen were where they were only faithful to the main character and not those that were also interested in intimacy between the other members (in my example I have arifureta, kanojo no kanojo and Otome Game Sekai wa Mob ni Kibishii Sekai desu), but what do you expect from these people who literally already have the NTR associated as bad, or who dislike futas (who they are within their right not to like it, but don't suck, they are adults, they know more than anyone that it won't hurt anything to skip it or go to another game of their interest), that is, all the decisions that the developer makes are partly his discord group, and if they like it, it means that he already has people who gave him their approval to move forward with this, and not the people who threw shit instead of criticizing it (who on top of that get it for free, because I already say from that if they paid for the game they would already know in advance that they would come), the good thing is that I saw out there that it would make 2 versions, the public one and the one for members, with the only difference that the one for members will have the mini-updates
I say it should be the opposite. Paid version should have an option of whether or not you want to skip content. That way if the paying customers have an issue with certain aspects of the game then they can at least skip that kind of content as for the choosing beggars that want to ruin things for the rest of us, they can go screw themselves for all I care. They aren't paying for it so why is the dev giving them authority on what does and doesn't go into the public build? Why is the dev allowing these closed minded morons to ruin things for the rest of us? Let them either pay to be able to skip certain kinds of content or find another game. Don't punish the rest of us just because a bunch of choosing beggars don't like what you come up with...
I say that this way is fine because:
1° As I mentioned before, those who donate are the ones who are approving the developer's ideas, so they should not have problems with the content, while the public will only be left without the mini-updates
2° He will at least be calm, and will be able to continue developing without being limited
3° Now they will not have to complain, when they are already being given a version that is supposed to be with which they have no problems
yeah...until they find something else to complain about...I'm against appeasing self entitled people who demand to have content removed but don't want to pay money to support the game. Let them complain for a bit and leave them leaving is of no real consequence unless they are paying for the game and they should be made to realize this. Just like if I decide to stop playing the game because the dev would rather appease self entitled morons than make the game he initially wanted to make it's of no real consequence because I'm not a paying customer. I'm just some random person on the internet who took an interest in the game and is thinking twice about wanting to play future builds if the dev is just going to remove content to appease random choosing beggars on the internet in the future. Because if it's happened once it will more than likely happen again...and again...and again...until the project ends up dead.
I agree, an artist should never be limited because precisely what is diverse or his creativity is what will give interest to the work, as long as everything remains legal, in my opinion I like the work because it almost seems like a anime, because it has all the situations and things like that.
I sincerely hope he does well, because besides putting up with the crap here he has to deal with his own stuff too, not to mention, it already takes him months to make updates.
Those who complained, I don't know if they kept quiet or left, but it seems to me that they are not aware of all this, because the one I discussed with said that "I no longer wanted to talk about it, because the content had already been removed", honestly I don't know why I'm tolerating them
hopefully in the future the dev tells those entitled twats to go screw themselves when they start complaining instead of bending over backwards to appease them. That's IF this whole thing hasn't already killed the project as from what I can tell it's been a long time since a public release has been made. Because if they try this crap again then the naysayers need to be chased off. If they are going to try and ruin things for the rest of us than we as a community need to make them feel as unwelcome as humanly possible to keep them from killing this project entirely. If they try to spam negative reviews like a certain moron did then the rest of us just need to drown them out with positive reviews. Take away the illusion that they perceive as power and they will have nothing to stand on. Make sure that they understand that their crap isn't appreciated and they will eventually leave.
that being said I'll drop it here as this convo is taking up a lot of space but these circumstances have made me question whether or not I will continue playing this game at all as I said whether or not I play is of no real consequence to the dev as I'm not a paying customer and I'm not fond of devs who remove content to appease choosing beggars so I'll probably just utilize my own advice and just find another game and hope the next dev exercises better judgement and doesn't remove content from the public build just to appease an angry mob. I'll just leave my thoughts here and hopefully more rational minds will come to their own decisions on whether or not this project is an already sinking ship. I wish the dev the best and hope for the sake of those who like and support this project that he makes better and more rational decisions rather than a panicked response in the future...good luck...
... didn't read much of the first comment did you...I'll make it easy for you since it's so difficult for you to understand. Polyamory of any kind is a two way street. I don't care what promises or contracts were made, you lose any logical reason or right to complain about your partner screwing around with other people the moment you start doing the same thing. That's how polyamory works. If she tried to hide it or lie about it than fine. In that case the dev should make a scene where she is confronted about it and they work out how they want to proceed from there. But when it comes to polyamory and open relationships in general your partner screwing around with other people should not only be expected but wholly accepted because YOU are doing the exact same thing. That's just how it goes. If you are too sensitive or selfish to accept these facts than perhaps porn that has the potential to address these very real issues just isn't for you.
You don't know what a harem is lmao. Thats exactly why he got the feedback he did. You are trying to apply a swinging relationship to a harem game. Thats not what it is at all. And even swingers have rules, and if a partner breaks them the SO has every reason to be upset. This sperg rage is pathetic
Pathetic like ragging at a dev over his creative choices? Pathetic like pressuring the dev to remove content from his own game just because you don't like it? Or pathetic like a dev who caves into the demands of an angry mob of unpaying choosing beggars? And Yes I know what a harem is. But apparently you don't understand what polyamory is otherwise you would know that multiple people screwing the same partner is still a type of polyamorous relationship. Just because most people prefer not to screw anyone else doesn't mean it doesn't happen or it's not allowed. THAT should be up to the dev not an angry mob of spoiled man children such as yourself...
God you are dumb. Yes Harem is a type of Polyamorous, but not every Polyamorous relationship is a harem. Harem is a specific type. And even if it wasnt branded as a harem game, people are still fully within reason to get mad over cheating. You are a fucking loser, a thousand times worse then any of the people "pressuring" the dev. Go play a NTR game bozo
Not a word about what polygamy or harem or whatever means or your personal expectations of them, and I want to stress that is all your "lessons" are because as with all relationships the not everything is a rule and this is fiction, actually matters. Because you believe polyamory typically does or should go both ways means fuck all. And saying the futa or the NTR/sharing adjacent scenes technically fit "harem" isn't going to be compelling to anyone opposed to those fetishes, and they're free to express that they did not like the content regardless. Now should the developer have listened? I do know that's the developer's right at least.
You're right my views and opinions don't matter but the same can be said for your own views and preferences. And the dev didn't so much listen as he just caved and removed the content from the public build to appease you self entitled man children. The content is still in the patreon version of the game because the people who actually support the dev either are at the very least ok with the content or mature enough to look past the content they don't care much for so that they can enjoy the content they do like. In short what we are seeing here is not "listening" it's appeasement. If you're too blind to see that then that's on you...
I never commented until the content had already been removed at which point I advocated for it to be avoidable, and I am largely pro any and all sexual content being optional unless a developer deems it important. And no shit, but I'm not the one condescending as though they've something substantial to say, as if you are doing those "ignorant" a favor by imparting your "lessons". Glad we have some perspective. And listening or appeasing, whatever you want to call it, I believe it is the developer's prerogative, and that isn't to say one has to like it. I'm playing nice here, you are assuming, calling people manchildren, and the developer pathetic.
As an aside, I'd argue removing the scenes also qualifies as "creative choice" regardless of how it was reached but whatever.
I've stated this before but I'll say it again. The issue isn't that the content was removed but rather why it was removed. If it was a matter of the dev not liking the content then I wouldn't have any issue with the removal. My issue is that the dev only removed said content from the public build to appease a bunch of random morons on the internet who have no intention of supporting the game or the dev to begin with. In short it wasn't a matter of the dev not liking what they came up with but rather an attempt to appease the self entitled morons who put their own personal preferences before the creative liberties of the dev. Is that easier to understand or do I need to simplify it further?
I well understand your issue (I guess this is an attempt to hone in on what I explicitly call an aside?), look at what I've actually replied to. More than half of your initial comment is pretending you are an authority on poly relationships, worse still as if it matters in a fictional setting, and insulting nebulous players and the developer. You later assume things about me, like you have the extent of the developers rationale, and the public playerbase, where supporters come from. The developer can remove content for any reason they deem, from any build, you don't have to like it, you are free to express that. I'm calling you out because you're being a prick.
I never claimed to be an authority on polyamory. But as someone who has been in multiple polyamorous relationships throughout their life I do in fact know what I'm talking about and have given insight on the matter. But in your eyes giving said insight makes me a prick? Furthermore I have stated an opinion regarding the community as a whole and the dev not you personally. If you choose to take my opinion regarding this community as a whole personally then that's also on you.
Ah that also makes sense, you think yourself as a better person because you criticize others personal tastes, but the real question is, why are you so against netorare stuff ? Could it be because you got cheated on multiple times in the past, maybe we should find a reason to that, could it be that you were over possessive, or maybe is it that you were and still are a toxic brat only here on this website to spit your poisons on everyone with a record of over 130 negative comments with 0 positive of any kind, yeah, you're DEFINITLY not the problem
It seems to me that at this point you are just grasping at straws trying to paint me as some kind of villain for no other reason than the fact that you don't like my view point regarding the community bullying the dev into removing content from his own game and the devs own complacency in this matter. If that is the case then I'd like to know your genuine thoughts on the matter. Not the disingenuous crap you've been trying to spoon feed me so far...