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I greatly appreciate all the theorycrafting and lore. As I'm adding content and reworking the trees and character kits it will be a great help! I am definitely wanting to give each character their niche in the group and allow a greater customization for different playstyles and character preferences. 

Added Following Fixes for patch 4.0:

- Fixed the triggering bug for Rand.

- Rebalanced Goo A.I.

- Party now heals after battle. I've been debating on this addition for a while, and think it would be modern to add it in.

- Can you elaborate on the Thieves Den?

- Working on Camp system where party collects items for you as well to help with low quantity and backtracking. Also each character will have an ability that grants access to special items or abilities.

- Each hunting area gives you different meats which allows you to craft different potions. I'll get invisible walls fixed.

- I switched up plugins for the victory ending why it is different than the original trailer. 

- Monsters now drop "Treasure/Junk" that can be sold to merchants for additional money. Zenny cost on cooking removed.

- Cooked meals now heal a % instead of flat amount. Added a cooked meal that will revive a fallen comrade.

- Joker's Hideout rebalanced.

- Crescent Phoenix is supposed to cancel and absorb the next enemy spell cast.

- Runes and Crests were retweaked due to a % bug that gave infinite Attributes.

- Aspara's boss actually levels with you.Deis will now have a level check before she joins.

- I love the ideas with Yua, and I'm thinking the boomerang would be a great throw back to BOF 1 and would fit her personality/style. I'm going to tweak and play around with a few things for her kit. Really good ideas.

- I am currently working on the Dark and Light tree. I'm adding the morality points in that give you skills for those two trees, in addition to the normal Dragon Shards you earn.

- Fixed bookshelf in Ryu room and double checked all the shops as some had a bad condition check.

- The HR fight is not a game over fight. It is set as a level and equipment check  before you do the arena.

- Rural Cabins now are linked correctly.

- Will look at Deis sprite.

- The Highland area is going to be a full content dungeon patch in later version. I'm really wanting to give it the scale that it deserve. I am still debating on what to add, but most likely will do some more areas especially as I start making the BOF I sprites.

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Hey great, thanks! I suppose I'm a bit over invested in terms of what this series can yet be, and you've provided the perfect opportunity to tease some theories and see if they could help improve your game. You mentioned HighFort - and so I can't resist. There's a perfect setting here that can tie the series together and so I'll take that challenge below and offer some final Bugs/Feedback on our ongoing conversation and your plans for 4.0 and beyond.

All your planned updates sound great and work to both let your existing systems shine, and add additional depth. Something akin to smelling salts/revive would do alot to avoid battle resets.

Clarification:

When I’ve previously referred to ‘Theives Den’, I meant Joker’s Lair exclusively. Forgot about Karn’s/Sten’s area (which I haven’t explored in your mod).

Bugs

-       I had a targeting bug arise in a few fights within the Joker’s Lair. Mainly, I had a number of instances where I couldn’t select different targets. Maybe its a gamepad issue (my fault), but it was inconsistent so I’m not sure. I’ll confirm if it happens again when trying both gamepad and keyboard.  

-       Aspara recruitment boss fight no longer triggers. Event flag skips immediately from ‘Fight’ to post-fight defeat. Aspara is currently a freebie.

Suggestions on Balance/ Progression:

-       Initial progress through Joker’s Lair was slow (fight-by-fight). I’m aware I could jump ahead, grab the fire shaman, and make mustard – but I'm still of the view that such boosts  should be an ‘edge’ rather than a condition for progress. I think Sana/Fire Shaman currently add (+150% ATK + Fire elemental). 

o   What if shamans were locked behind its own little quest? Something that prompts a SOLO Ryu fight with his Dragons (must do elemental/magic damage to defeat boss). Just a cool event to match the gravity of the original game encounter. I’m partial to the original idea of his Dragon abilities being ‘unlocked’ by an appropriate counter-force and wouldn’t mind having to navigate the first few quests without a dragon skill tree. 

-       I finished Joker’s Lair at Level 15 (avg.) and the key turn around was towards the end of the dungeon where I got a rune that increased Katt’s HP100%, and Nina’s MP by 100%. Joker himself started threatening, until two things happened:

o   Katt used Aerial strike end of turn 1 (inflicting silence)

o   Nina used Lightning on turn 4 (landed 6500+ damage). Joker was absolutely toast on that. Otherwise, he had some good things going for him (but much easier than preceding Bandit Gang fight). 

o   Mina joined at Level 40 with middling stats, but an extensive spell roster and I decided to bench her for that boss fight.

-     I would suggest that you  add a couple more monster lairs (a field zone on the road to Windia/Joker’s Lair, and somewhere before Capitan. These help to test out new party roles/compositions and bridge level gaps prior to heading into dungeon. Also offers additional opportunity to collect cooking ingredients (salt, for one) I know there are a number of overworld monster encounters that have yet to feature (Goblins, Lizards, DeathCentipede, Bullas, DevilSpears, SnapDragon, Flies). A lot of monster zones has the menu Goblin on entry, I think these would look appropriate as the overworld monster den sprite (instead of, or as a contrast to, the Highfort Door Seal). Different monster speeds and colour palate could signal relative strength of mobs, and frees you up to use the Door Seal as a later boss fight.

-       Aspara and learning Lores

o   Just picked her up following Sten. Went back to Tag woods, hoping to learn some missed Lores. Guard feature help to prolong battles and I eventually learned Faerie Fire (great). Wanted to learn Bug Bear’s ability, but even with high-AGRO (Ryu), and high SPD (Lin) characters swap out for Nina and Sten, the chance of monster using sought ability AND targeting Aspara is quite low. Could Aspara have an ‘OBSERVE’ ability that allows her to learn any LORES used by the enemy (could be attacks targeting allies, or even LORES that the monster uses to self-buff). An OBSERVE command would certainly fit Aspara’s more introverted and pensive character.  In addition to a loss of turn (by virtue of selecting this, instead of attack), unlike GUARD, perhaps there’s a debuff to the move that shows Aspara is effectively letting her guard down (Defence down, speed down/ or cannot act until targetted in battle). ß kind of like the sleep condition.

- Character roster:

Thinking about what different titles in the series do well, I liked that BOFI and BOFIV allowed for character swapping in battle. Since you endeavour to expand the party roster, why not reintroduce the swap feature from BOFI? This could allow for some interesting strategies around (stealing, Lore learning, debuffing, exposing enemy weakness, applying resistance/buff support, reviving). 

Comment on your update:

 QOL:

Having character heal at the end of battle sounds like of QOL improvement, though may not be necessary. In most battles, I tend to avoid alot of inflicted character defuffs (poison/bleed/death) – addressing them after the action. Having these linger post-battle will ensure I am using those consummables/support characters and putting a bit more consideration to pre-dungeon planning/cooking. With the modern encounters, I like that I have to consider the ‘gauntlet’ of encounters that are ahead of me, and how much I can endure as I progress to loot/boss. If the only opportunity cost is ‘time in battle’, I’d probably focus more on DPS characters like Nina, or spam potential future Dark Dragon nuke abilities, rather than consider resource management and buffing/debuffing/enemy weakness targetting strategies (Jean and Mixie).

 

Character: Deis

-       Good idea about having a level check for Deis to join. Currently, if she joins at Lvl 10, she only has revive, so a rebalance of skill progression would be needed regardless. 


Deis: WORLBUILDING/ Future Patch Suggestion (BOFIV-I-II)

o   I mentioned Wisdon before, what if (perhaps a patch down the road), the secret library is in a desert? An archeological dig of the defunct remains of Wisdon? Maybe Arad (with support of the Digger clan: descendants of Mogu) leads the dig? In terms of Lore/Worldbuilding, that would be amazing. It also aligns with your proposed level check (since it would require Jean’s swimming ability to reach that zone). Maybe Deis didn’t want to get her ‘hands dirty’ by going down herself, and you’ve proved the capable hero when confronted by a Wisp in the lower reaches.

§  Perhaps Deis is only at the Magic School so she can access hidden books or an archeological dig team concerning Wisdon, and goes on to lead the expedition (joining you for that dungeon)? She also doesn't want to gather too much attention,  due to the ideas of a recent history that follows. 

§  If BOFIV is a prequel, I think there’s potential for Wisp to be an enduring aspect of Ershin, and would explain the enduring devotion and subservience Wisp(s) have towards Deis throughout the centuries. Whether Ershin remains as a single consciousness, or is split across various Wisps - I'd say that a matter concerning the Gods, not for lowly mortal understanding.  Ershin/Wisp could act as a zone boss, and link back to the feel of BOFI or BOFIV with encounter music. 

 

HighFort and LORE (across BOF Series):

-       So, its natural to make the connection between the technology employed by HighFort and Township with Obelisk in BOFI. In BOFII, we learn that this technology is fuelled by some form of human energy/sacrifice. It is the same technology that Ganer is hooked up to beneath Evrai and acts as a conduit to DeathEvan. Going back to BOFIV, this functions very similar again to the Carronade, with Mami being used explicitly to hurt Fou Lu due to the intensity of emotional energy that connects them.

o   As I suggested, it is the Carronade that marks Fou Lu and creates the conditions by which future BOF Dark Dragons might be drawn to, or corrupted by, that same power (Myria/DeathEvan). Across the series (BOFI-V), the elemental/visual expression of this energy (void/necro) seems consistent.

I believe that the ‘good’ ending of BOFII is actually a bad ending for the series. 

-       I never experienced the ‘good ending of Ganer saving the day’ until I replayed the game a number of years after release with the benefit of GAMEFAQS forum guides. For me, Ryu sacrificing himself for the greater good, felt bitter sweet yet thematically cohesive. The loose ends are better tied up (extreme God power has been removed from the world “Dragon & Demon”). With the exception of Yua, all other Dragons are accounted for. The story is overall tragic, but sacrifices won’t be forgotten and the Light/Dark Dragon Clan is now fully redeemed following the events of BOFI.

-       In BOFII, I think Ganer represents the folly of man to trust false gods and technological progress without moderation. He brought St Eva into Gate’s community, afterall. How did he become a member of the cloth? Once freed by Ryu following years of captivity in Evrai, full of regret, the guy immediately seeks to use the same technology (tech employed by demons) to do good and help his son (saving him at the end, somehow at the perfect time). Personally, I’d expect severe trauma and a large degree of cognitive decline/mental illness. Now, at the ending - Valerie was gone, so who communed with him to rally his spirit to descent on Gate with Township at the most opportune/dramatic moment?)

o   I know this has the potential to ‘twist’ the prevailing view and presentation of Ganor, but maybe this guy is tainted, and was compelled by the Carronade ‘essence’ (Myria/DeathEvan or a sort of void energy-magnestism) to bring Township to Gate – linking void-hunger to a readypowersource? Something that perhaps Shupkay would have been drawn to do, if the machine didn't destroy her. Ganer could still have done so for the virtuous reason he claims, but aside from the perfect JRPG anime timing tropes, he’s a bizzare breath of fresh air, in a story that is otherwise centred around tragedy (Daisy, Tiga, Yua*, Mina, etc.).

§  Ganer being enthralled wouldn’t be the first time it has happened – consider the anti-climatic end of Jade in BOFI? Successful in his mission, yet robbed of the agency,  serving as no more than a fall-guy to Myria (like Goma before him). We also know that all endings of BOFI simply ‘kick-the-can down the road’ to the next generation(s).

What does it mean to be the destined child?  

Ganer being enthralled from the beginning would explain why he was so quick to 'fall in love with Valerie' - it was by design. The 'destined child' or Nikanoru - is a story about Ryu being created from the union of a pure entity (Valerie) and a corrupted one (Ganer). Its not quite black and white - Ganer might be relatively good, but his magical power and life choices were given/made for him and perhaps the 'essence' of Ganer's power (Carronade) and Valerie's (Endless) are instinctively drawn towards one another. In the context of a quaint life in Gate, Valerie has her guard down, and maybe Ganer is partly oblivious to being a pawn in something else's (destiny) game. He believes in St Eva, but maybe he doesn't know why, and somehow the scandalous notion that he marries a 'Dragon Maiden' who worships Ladon is totally lost on him. Valerie has literally lived under a rock her whole life, so you can forgive her for being a little bit naive to the laws of attraction, societal norms/etiquette and deception of the surface world. They form a relatively wholesome union and they work together to reseal Gate. 

Later, Barubary/Aruhmel and Habaruku are released or at least strike from the shadows now that Valerie is otherwise occupied as a sleeping Dragon. Note that they strike when Ryu is asleep? They needed him to grow alone, in suffering, as a means to strengthen his connection to the void (giving God his strength). Yua managed to get away, and Ganer has served his purpose and is now hooked up to the siphon machine in Evrai.

But Ryu is confronted by Barubary.... and left to live. Ryu is the destined child. He is destined to open the gate (due to his ability to commune with both the Dragon and the Void). Yua/Valerie seemingly have this potential to let the gate open via their blood, but only Ryu would present the proposition that would compel Valeria to willingly open the Gate to confront/end the void. Maybe the seal could only be removed with that willing intent, and Valerie did so because she believed the destined child of legend would be enough to defeat DeathEvan. From DeathEvan's perspective, maybe that aspect of the destined child is a ruse - a legend that he supplanted in the minds of Dologany citizens. When Barubary looked into Ryu during the Cave sequence - he saw that Ryu could become more than DeathEven foresaw, and that there was truth to the lie of the 'Destined Child'. That's why he shows a degree of respect/deference to him during their confrontation at Infinity, and seeminly congratulates/rewards him upon defeat.

Concerning Ray: Perhaps Ray was a useful, but limited vessel for reasons that are not disclosed. Maybe simply as a foil to draw out Ryu's power - that was part of conditions through which to force Ryu to kill his own, become powerful: but filled with a remorse/emptiness that would bring him closer to the void and resolve to open the gate. As Ray is identified as likely to hold Dark Dragon Clan lineage when talking to citizens of Dologany, perhaps that 'perceived' or historical corruption meant that he would never be accepted by both Dragon Clans to be the 'destined child' to confront the void (that willing blessing being required) - thus, Habaruku/Father Hulk could only use Ray as a tool to draw out Ryu's potential. 

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Back to the Obselisk/HighFort -Township & Evrai

-       Perhaps Obelisk and Township can draw from more than just the tapped-user? When BOFI Obelisk rises, the landscape is more than just a little impacted. Not dissimilar to how Gate’s Forests begun to die off and maybe this is why Evrai sits up top an inaccessible landmass – the coastlines are eroding to support the ‘siphon machine’. I can’t imagine Evrai being build on its current geographical context, the changes could have been quite recent, and then the ‘Road to Evrai’ was constructed as the solution (more rediscovered BOFIV tech from Astana). In fact, there aren't a lot of beaches across those island landmasses - suggesting land rising up or more likely being swallowed (compared with BOFI's geography). 

-       Perhaps the war of HighFort was partly precipitated on HighFort kingdom’s rediscovery and use of this Obelisk-Carronade technology? Maybe it drove the Highlanders militaristic in the same way that Scande’s Dark Dragons had become so (in that case, I suggested that the seventh Goddess Key allowed some conduit between Myria's void power, and Zog/Dark Dragon faction). Maybe ignition of HighFort ‘awakened’ DeathEvan (the scar of Myria) and gave him the awareness of a means to draw energy from the outside world? Perhaps another site is found/captured at Evrai soon after?

o   I’m not sure how the ‘timeline’ of events all line up, but what if a line made between DeathEvan and this Carronade tech  was part of the inciting incident that brought Valerie to the surface world? If you ignore any ‘stated’ player character ages in a game manual, I don’t see why this can’t fit. (Maybe Highlanders age differently to Humans? Like Dwarves/Elves? There, potential plot hole created by game manual solved!

-       Maybe Sten (as part of his defection/disappearance) stopped the machine and people snapped out long enough to regain their grips and halt military expansion. Shupkay was likely disappointed with this (and later targeted by DeathEvan's corruption), and Sten disappeared as the traitor/coward (with many only the Princess and Turbo having ‘some’ idea that the situation wasn’t as Shupkay or others might suggest). It is understood that he has been AWOL for some time.

-       Furthermore, maybe the activation of HighFort is what prompted Deis to awaken from her slumber? Perhaps she stooped in, instead of Sten, and Wisdon’s energy was used as part of an incantation and was thus buried? (I mean, Wisdon seems to be powered by Endless energy). Perhaps Wisdon was Goonheim? Goonheim really makes no sense the current narrative of BOFII? Was it a kingdom? A clan? Was it another floating fortress (powered by Deis and Wisps?). The Desert between BOFI and BOFII regresses considerably, as does the area around Gant/Guntz – one could see a conflict of “Obelisks”-type structures (HighFort/Evrai) (BOFI's Agua) and Deis' Wisdon being a terraforming Goonheim event.

Linking Township/Obelisk to BOFIII-IV-V: Caer Xhan and humanity's slow march towards a ruined world

-       BOFII-BOFIII: While Township initially feeds off Ganor – by BOFIII, at the far end of the desert of death (or perhaps the desert centre) is Caer Xhan. Maybe Myria comes back in BOFIII and recognises this (perhaps she stops it by acting as the powersource, perhaps she instead decides to fuel the desert's expansion to a specific end) – either way, she is an Endless with unlimited power (Elena’s created purpose).

o   You can see a logistical need for Myria in BOFIII to come back if – overtime, the technology and culture of Township continued to thrive and begin to produce a spiritual/natural drain (via Carronade siphoning) on the surrounding landscape. Or maybe it was coincidental - the proximity between Township and DeathEvan (and the ‘good’ energies that Ganer uses to fuel township), results in the Elena aspect of Tyr/Myria Endless emerge from the defeated DeathEvan scar, creating our 'adopted mother Myria').   

-       BOFIV's Yuna created Elena to be a battery for the Carronade, maybe that was Myria’s role in the centre of Caer Xhan and why she claims that, if she leaves, the desert would expand?

o   But yeah, she’s flawed, is jealous or fearful of the power of others (Deis, Dragon Clan, Yggdrasil), and covets her children (aspect of Elena). She is a re-created Endless that is corrupted as both a giver of gifts (Elena/Endless), and consumer of worlds (Carronade/Void siphon).

-       BOFIII: People discount BOFIV as a prequel in pointing to some of the cameos that appear (Momo, Teepo, Rei). My view:  Teepo/Rei, are just a straight developer cameo for like Karn and Bo in BOFII) Both are obscure/adjacent to main gameplay/narrative and require our suspension of dbelief.

o   But, in Momo’s case,  maybe Ganer and Momo have something thematically in common? Momo appears in the BOFIV story playthrough as a somewhat confused interloper, and perhaps got there as a result of ongoing experiments with Chrysm, which I'll suggest shares qualities with Carronade matter, and is some byproduct (maybe one that is purified of void?). Once BOFIII Myria is removed, and her grip on technological expansion, so is Momo’s ceiling of potential. Momo doesn’t appear to be corrupted (thanks to learning from Plant and Repsol experiments), but shows that perhaps even she got carried away with portal technology while trying to halt/remove the siphoning of Caer Xhan. Even with a disappeared Momo, others in the BOF world were not dissuaded, and the inherent naivity of humans (Momo/Ganer), the lingering mark of Carronade on the Dragon Clan (Fou Lu), coupled with the potential ambition and narcissism of people like Yuna (and I gesture to all the other demon people of BOFII), Carronade technology came back and went full-swing, consuming the world, corrupting the Dragons (a BIOTECH fused nuclear holocaust) providing the setting for BOFV.

-       BOFV (quick one!) 

(Disclaimer: I've only played this once (no resets, no subsequent revisits) 

o   So, Ryu and Nina have a way of ‘always coming back’ and the adventure coming full circle. What if Nina the experimental ‘filter’ of the underground, is not so much a retread of Nina, but a thematic retread of Elena/Myria? BOFIV Nina and Elena were sisters, so it's not like such a link is unprecedented. Maybe she's the answer to the void energy (a truly purified spirit of Elena), maybe she's the antagonist of the surface world? A DeathEvan released? Sort of like the Dologany colony forgetting that they weren't just hiding from the dangers of the surface world, but also protecting the surface world from the dangers below. 

Of Gods, Men and promises unfulfilled: 

I think the series order fits  BOFIV-I-II-III-V, and thus the BOFV setting is a natural cumulative consequence of recurring themes: some Gods exist to steward the world, but they are limited and tend to create new problems that need new answers/Gods to solve. As a consequence, humanity in each BOF entry seeks to create/choose their own Gods:

BOFIV - [Tense/Aimless world]  Fou Lu: half-complete, builds and then abandons his empire to return to slumber. In response, Elena is created to 'serve' the empire as mana battery to power and guide the Empires' future and replace the God that left. 

BOFI - [Ambitious/Expansionist world] Ladon: another somewhat failed God-stewart as he did not satisfy/contain the ambition of Dark Dragons. In response, Tyr/Myria is sought and released as wish granter to enable Dark Dragons to reach the potential that spirit Ladon denied?,

BOFII - [Fractured/Regressed world] GrandTree/Namanda: limited reach; Ladon's influence continues to wane (along with the Dragon Clan) - creating a bit of power vacuum. In response, St Eva (DeathEvan) emerges as a global uniter across fractured kingdoms (again, maybe Goonheim was a significant global/geopolitical calamity and St Eva was seen as a uniting pacifist solution - the Dragon Clan had suddenly vanished, anyways),

BOFIII - [Stasis/Contained world] Myria: is misguided, insecure, overbearing, and genocidal. The lived experiences of BOFIII citizens is controlled by corrupt forces (gangs, pre-selected technology, lack of purpose/agency, and exclusion of other deities). In response, Dragon Price Ryu emerges as liberator,  acting as a sort of Moses/messiah figure who reclaims birthright and frees the people to find their own destiny.  the ending draws some allusions to Israelites crossing the desert, in search of Jerusalem. 

*BOFV - [Ruined world] Dragon/machine Gods destroyed/poisoned the world. In response, experiments on a 'new God-Bioweapon' that can cleanse the world, and return to 'salvation' are created (Nina/Elena/Myria). <-- again this is where I'm most speculative. 

Altogether, this cycle appears to continue a pattern of destruction in/of the world. Each cycle rejects one god, becomes their own, and a failure to surrender godly ambitions ensures that the conflict eventually renews.  

What choice does Ryu BOFII have at the end of your game? Does Ganer rob Ryu of the ultimate choice, and inadvertently kick the can down the road? Or is there something else that Ryu does after Ganer's sacrifice that is not made explicit in the original? 

Sign-off: *I think I've exhausted my time for theory-crafting at least until your 4.0 update - but I'm heartened to read this back and see that, as far as I can tell,  there's a consistent internal and thematic coherence to this that allows for expansion of the series Lore, without straying too far from 'what we know' or taking too many creative liberties with the themes/story beats. Often fans can over-complicate and dig way deeper than creators intended but, as the series has left us, there are too many questions unanswered (so fair game!) and I've tried to fill in some of the cracks. Hopefully it is something you continue to find adaptable and suitable for your project, and I think it would hold up to most scrutiny. The above is now how I would reconcile the series and some of the prevailing gaps. 

Either way, I'm excited to see the end result (and am be happy to simply have a chance to play out the outcome you present in your project's vision). 

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(Part III)

Tying up loose ends: the decline of clans leading into BOFII, the rise of BOFIII’s pluralistic society under Windian Monarchy.


Goonheim... a world undone.

We know it was a ugly war that predates the events of Ryu’s adult journey. Was it a single battle or part of a much wider war? I previously suggested that HighFort and Evrai’s technology were harnessed at some point before the events of the game, and may have led to cataclymic events that involved Sten’s defection and the awakening/intervention of Deis.

Considering how dramatically different the landscapes of BOFI and BOFII are, and where these shifts take place, I would first suggest that the destruction of Tyr/Myria has lasting impacts on the land surrounding Scande. We can see that most of the continent there is reduced to a long, snaking mountain range. The shell (Rand’s clan) have since moved in and are perhaps restoring the land to life, I suspect the Grassmen and the sea of trees have a role towards this as well.

But what happened to the landmasses around Guntz/Gant and Arad? Were the Iron Ogres (Ox’s people) implicated in the conflicts around Goonheim? I suspect so. They were already known for their technological prowess in BOFI, conscripted to develop a torpedo to be used against Prima. What if the destruction of Zog’s empire, and the gradual retreat of the Dragon clan, created a power vacuum that led to an arms race between new clan players? Highlanders get ahold of Obelisk/Carronade tech, and maybe the Iron Ogres recreate it? Is it not suspicious that Eichichi is adapt at ancient tech?

As tensions and ambitions escalate, who’s bankrolling this an interclan conflict? Perhaps the Manillo’s pick a side and engage in a trade war with the other centre of wealth in BOFI – the port city of Auria?

 Whatever the exact outcome – we know that there isn’t a clear winner.

 

BOFII’s state of the World

 BOFII lacks a militaristic superpower, the world is quite fractured, compared to BOFI... 

-       Guntz is now an island, and the city zone is much smaller. This is where Eichichi is found, and she just so happens to have a curiosity and talent towards the ancient machine below Township. It is reasonable to assume that other Iron Ogres before her would have found interest in, and be able to eventually figure out, other such machines (Evrai).

-       Arad and Wisdon are also gone – with only Deis’ mountain cave filled with what looks like booze, suggesting she’s in a rough patch in her life and had to leave Wisdon.

-       Auria’s gold is no more. What’s in its stead, is Hometown, which has a sort of feuding minor aristocracy, and private guards, but has otherwise fallen quite far from its glory days as a wealthy port city. There appears to be no other major port cities to trade with in BOFII (Capitan appears more of a backwater).

-       With the wealth of Auria gone, Bleak looks inwards for fortune and becomes for games and gladiators in a world with a large number of disbanded soldiers.

-       Manillos still feature as a merchant class/clan, but many are found randomly out in the wild, the strangest of islands.. it almost suggests that they are a little diminished/lost and are trying to connect to markets again (again, perhaps Prima and Auria fuelled one another’s growth) 

-       Windia and Tunlan appear to have endured – chiefly as isolationist monarchies. By cell-size, they are both smaller than in BOFI, and Windia’s Great Bird power has diminished. Tunlan still retains a language barrier to the outside world, accessible to only royal family (HighFort’s Treasure), and Windia doesn’t really hold a military presence outside its immediate kingdom (which is consistent with BOFI). The thriving Manillo market of BOFI’s Tunlan is nowhere to be found here. I suspect Prima’s trade empire collapsed, and Tunlan has withdrawn further from the world.

-       SimaFort and the Creeper Clan are new, and don’t really have much outward military capability (it might all be for show, as the self-destruct feature below SimaFort revealed). Frogs existed near Gant in BOFI, perhpas they fleed/migrated to occupy the area around Spring.

-      Other clans appear to have lost ancestral homes on the overworld: Forest Clan (Bo), Digger Clan (Mogu), Worens (Lin/Tiga), Aradians.

 

So, the world at conclusion at of Goonheim saw many of the great clans/regions of BOFI broken and in a sort of Dark Ages. 

Was it Goonheim? Its not explicit one way or the other – but an inter-tribal/global conflict around a rediscovered Obelisk/Carronade magiteck would certainly explain: the shifting landscape, disappearance of kingdoms, and diminished world order. If the Dragon Clan were absent during this conflict (having shifted to Dologany), it would make sense that the other tribes might have risen up and the world lacked a moderating/pacifying force to steam the tide of war.

-    (Aside)   BOFI Nina tells BOFII Nina that the clan’s loss of the Great Bird was due to her intermariage with an outsider (presumably Ryu I). Maybe the Goonheim conflict, and Carronade magitek had a role in this as well?

It could be theorised that the Goonheim conflict, and the power it summoned, awoke Deis. Whether or not she had a direct hand in the conflict (with or without a band of adventurers) – she was a witness to its conclusion. However it was, she lost Wisdon, and was neither the heroic or ambitious stewart the world needed to guide its people to heal. She’s lost her home, turns to drink, is now restlessness, and entertains flights of fancy (cosplaying a student at the academic).

-       The thing about an Endless, however, is that this isn’t her first rodeo of Empires rising and falling. She’s probably a bit of a moral relativist and, if Myria/DeathEvan/Carronade Tech are not active on the scene, she’s likely to not be overly concerned with the weight of the affairs of mortals (hence why her personality seems relatively the same between BOFI and BOFII). Without knowing her involvement in Goonheim, she seems even less interventionist, compared to BOFI.

                                     

Altogether, these are perfect conditions for a new world-religion (St. Eva) to spread without a significant opposing threat.

 

---Time passes, the destined child grows up, opens the gate, and defeats DeathEvan.  

The ‘Good Ending’ of BOFII à the emergence of a pluralistic society, situated under a puppet monarchy.

So Ganer saves the day, Ryu is the hero a broken world can turn to after it is revealed that St Eva was a lie. Nomadic tribes and broken kingdoms find sanctuary in Township’s expanding wealth and technology. Our BOFII player actions of recruiting random NPCs for this village offers a pluralistic alternative to the inter-tribal warfare of Goonheim and BOFI. This is proven with the recruitment of Shamans, player party allies, humans, a Creeper sculpter and an undercover HighFort Princess*. Over time, a pluralistic society becomes the norm. 

Over an undisclosed time - Caer Xhan happens, Myria also becomes guardian of the world. As per her BOFIV Elena template, Myria fashions herself as a Fae (with off-white, upside-down wings), and provides a safe haven from the dying world (cause directly by her, or by the magicteck of the Carronade Township or the void scar of DeathEvan), managed under the kingdom of Windia. The Windian royal family remain her willing or unwitting vassals, while any new clans that emerge are no more than regional identities under service of Myria (Urkans). Under this kingdom, a pluralistic society endures as the norm: Aradians live alongside Iron Ogres, Creepers, Shells, Grassrunners, and others.  This can be found in the area surrounding Gemel (the Cafe), Dauna Mines, Rhapala Port and Junk Town.  A pluralistic society works for her in that clans united, might find their strength and purpose (Rei). Faes’ are historically relatively pacifist and isolationist – so they make non-threatening and virtuous figureheads of state. 

The outlying areas at the peripheral of Myria’s grasp, recieve less direct attention, and thus the maleficence of her Carronade-corrupt Endless nature enables the empowerment of the SinCity Syndicate as a more ‘blunt-force’ instrument at managing her ‘children’. As a syndicate, they are a bit of managed chaos, hence his henchmen keeping tabs on McNeil, rising stars of Gemel's Coliseum and our favourite orphans Rei, Teepo and Ryu?

-       Mikba looks suspiciously like a Guardian, does he not? Maybe his role is to keep power and ambition in check as a sort of Mafia boss?  Doesn’t Garr act sort of the same way when we meet him? Gaist’s transformation is a more extreme version of Mikba, because he was charge with Dragon hunting, vs. Mikba is for managing non-Endless mortals. Wish we could have seen what was north of the checkpoint... Maybe Mikba was trying to escape the reach of Myria and ‘he’ of all people, would know best where it might be possible to hide form her grasp?

Why is it only Nina that actually compels action against the Syndicate’s corruption? Why are there two portals in Windia, one in the castle basement? Another portal close to the Syndicate in Dauna, and others at Steele Beach, near Kombinat, and the Container Yard near Caer Xhan? If I had suggested Jade and Ganer’s relationship to a sort of thrall to Myria/DeathEvan... maybe that’s the same case with Windia’s King and Queen? BOFIII Nina certainly thinks they are out of touch with the real world and the going ons of their kingdom. The people of Kombinat show that there's no shortage of people in the land beyond the sea that have succumbed to an empty thrall-like existence. 

-       Honey, Momo’s companion, is revealed as one of Myria’s mechanical servants from Caer Xhan. As only she is able to initially operate these magicteck portals – it would be feasible that Myria (who lives at the epicenter of this tech) has sent/recieved agents through these. Explains Mikba and the Balio and Sunder as her direct agents, as you can fight prototypes of Mikba and Stallion within her station. It would have been nice if the game gave you a bit more insight into Honey’s creation and role. Does she belong to Caer Xhan, or Myria? Is her existance pre-, or post-Myria? Is there a reason (self-fear of her Carronade) that she lives only in the company of these machines, monstrous experiments (Chimera) and a neutralised Teepo?

Final Sign-Off (for real): I said I was done with theory crafting, and now I really hope that’s true. From this, there’s a foundation to the state of the world leading up to BOFII’s setting, and there’s a possible map of events that lead to the structure of Myria’s world under the BOFIII kingdom of Windia. Again, it should remain logically consistent and thematically cohesive. Any of these ideas that make way into your future patches would be a joy. Perhaps they just give you some prompting to think about how your own ideas work to close some loose ends, and propel the story forward.

 With appreciation.

Bugs/QoL/Economy/Combat Balance [3.2 up to rescuing Ganer encounter in Evrai]

 Compared to 3.0, this continues to be a much more polished experience – Thank you for all the fun! Natural level progression = 30, with some individual characters reaching 40, and 80. Most of the Bugs/QoL are pretty minor, with some suggestions for combat balance as players make their way towards Evrai.


People & Places (NPCs, Vendors, Zones):

  • Township: Brick Carpenter Township village – Recruited Items and Armor tenants do not function/activate in their shops.
  • Capitan: Shelves in back of Capitan’s Log Cabin are inaccessible.
    • Brick Carpenter does not provide text in explaining what he offers, compared to other carpenters.
  • SimaFort: Barrel at Campsite dock (to Simafort), is inaccessible.
  • Tunlan: Accessing Radiant Shaman in Tunlan still requires a weird walk-through-walls invisible maze.
  • Namanda: Passage at back of Namanda cave (right of bells) is inaccessible. This could be a nice opportunity to expand his quest with monster encounters. 
  • Cotland: Claris’ sprite is mini at Cotland* introduction, compared to Taiga and party sprites
  • Windia: In contrast, King of Windia is king-sized in his king-sized bed.
  • Cooking: Some cooked consumables cannot be used outside of battle (like stat boosts).
  • Character duplicates: Cut scenes where characters are involved (Bosch vs Trout, Jean cooking in the kitchen) can create character duplicates if character is also in party. What if they left party for particular sequences?
  • Camping: Intimate camp scenes (Lin/Nina) will swap Ryu with whomever is in character slot 1. I got Rand in first scene with Lin.
    • Is Ryu meant to be polyamorous? The game would seem to incentivise you to romance both Lin/Nina if you were worried about their respective character events (Taiga and Windia). Both companions seem to lay it on pretty fast with Ryu if you spam the camp event. What if these character camp items were consumable, or had story-progress checks to spread out these subplots overtime. Is treating either/both of them as ‘sisters’ enough to achieve positive outcomes in their respective quests? (Great Bird & Taiga)
  •  Cross party of dialogue: dialogues needs a condition check for ‘order of appearance’. Sten’s first dialogue to Lin is a heartfelt apology... later on I got the dialogue where the argument ensues that explains the reason for the apology.
    • Rand to Aspara is a bit emersion breaking. Rand’s unprompted adoration and affirmation of Aspara seems out of character for him, and characters’ overall relationship with one another at that point in the adventure.

Combat/Character stats  

DIFFICULTY PROGRESSION: Following initial difficulty jump at Joker’s Lair, mob progression is far more reasonable thereafter (provided you use all of what’s available to you -i.e. Ryu equipped with Fire Shaman). Level progression by end of Capitan sequence was 20. FANTASTIC CHANGE from 3.1 (where I had easily reached Lvl. 40). I really liked the mobs underwater at SimaFort – the bubble mechanic with the puffer fish was a great ‘time waster’ in a timed-sequence. Clever!

  •  SLEEP STATUS DEBUFF: If party is put to sleep, they do not wake up if not targeted by enemy. This happened in Nimfu fight (condition stays at 1 turn while Nimfu spammed Buffs). Eventually awoke upon hit with ‘death’ spell. Condition should wear off naturally.
  • MANIPULATING BATTLE TURN ORDER: If selecting ‘MEMORY’ option for character turns, a turn spent using ‘GUARD’ ought not have the menu cursor default back to ‘ATTACK on the subsequent turn. Leaving it on ‘GUARD’ speeds up movement through party turns when waiting for Aspara to learn Lore, or get to a slower character’s turn (where Katt/Nina has three turns in a row). Alternatively, adjust Aspara’s ability pool to include an ‘OBSERVE’ command would help to alleviate this.
  • ASPARA: Is there a way to view Aspara’s Lore abilities from menu screen? A sort of indication of how many are available in total (or available by region/beastiary?)
    • Also, is there a ‘cap’ on # of LORES Aspara can learn? Aspara got hit with some Lores in battle and there was a message prompt that indicated she has learned it, but they do not appear in LORE for use in subsequent battles: eg. Kuwadora’s Devil ___ ability, OwlFruit boss’ AOE Fire attack. I hope this is a bug, and that all LORES can be learnt.   
  • LIN: Her special character quest (Woren Graveyard) triggers a battle with Ifreet. For this fight, there is no battle field transition and the fight plays out with a fuzzed out zone background (showing both party members’ in-battle sprites, and out of battle sprites).
  • MIXIE: joins at player level (alongside Jean), but has significantly less XP requirements to her level progression (reminiscent of BOFI Nina/Deis). She reached Level 80 by Evrai, compared to Ryu’s Lvl. 30.
  • NINA: could benefit from some extra AOE abilities prior to Kirin? Nothing overpowered, but something to help contribute in non-boss fights.  In BoFII, she joined with AOE Thunder, and then learned S.Boom (lvl. 14?) and then Flame (lvl. 20?). It would be nice to see a smooth progression of elemental spells across single, random, and AOE targets.
  • RAND: Formula for minor heal – is it based on the recipient’s stat? Not sure, but its very ineffectual and relatively expensive, given Rand’s natural MP pool. I would recommend a BUFF.
  • STEN: Currently no encounters/interactions in the Thieves Tomb quest (Sten) aside from the final encounter. Floor tiles present an interesting opportunity, ghost Turbos are ethereal and don’t trigger an encounter. This is on ‘modern encounters setting’.

 Special Character quests provide some characters (Mixie, Jean, Aspara) with huge XP gains that break progression balance (lv 26 à 36). Others (Rand/Lin) don’t have this boost. The quests are short, so in Aspara’s case, one boss fight = 10Lvl gains for her. 

  • That said, was nice to use Mixie’s HEX ability to effect for this fight.
    • It would be nice for some prompt/condition check to have Lin/Sten/Aspara in active party for their character event battle. You can see how character bosses are ‘designed’ around their focus character.
    • If individual characters were to keep 100% of XP gained in their battles, then they should fight them SOLO. Nice reason to invest in all characters’ growth and playstyle.

 Economics/Loot/Equipment progression

  • WELL  UNDERNEATH CAPITAN: ant denizens dropped Great Swords like candy, selling for a cool 2,500 each. I had about 8 of these and I think there’s need for further tweaks to the LOOT and overall economic progression.
  • GEAR: Due to the way Crests/Crystals/Gems/Runes work, I stopped participating in armor/weapon upgrades beyond initial character recruitment (500z tier). Given final tier weapons all cost 5,000z and have a focus towards ‘added effects’, it seemed that upgrading/changing strategies was “optional” rather than “essential”. Early access to Dragon Shrine Island and Prima Market seemed a little early and akin to a ‘debug menu mode’ where I could have access to the whole game’s item resources. I’m not sure whether this is the intent, or if the scaling will change in future patches.
  • LOOT: Some relic rewards are seemingly overpowered for the time you get them (Sable Eye, Sten’s Gauntlet) and may encourage less party build diversity.
    • Example, I equipped Nina with the relic obtained after the whale dungeon. It doesn’t ‘speed’ her up relative to allies, but it seemingly gives her another 3-4 actions per combat round. Wicked for rinse and repeat unloading spells. It seems like game progression kind of demands this – but I suppose a good question is: is it the blade that makes the warrior, or the warrior that makes the blade?
  • CONSUMABLES: For Mana potions, a 5pt recovery seems a bit low for tier-1 consumable. Why not 10 or 20pts, in theme with Acorns/Wisdom Seeds.

Balance

TWEAKING RYU'S DRAGON TRASNFORMATION MECHANICS:

  • BUG - Ryu enters battle with his Dragon Breath attack (instead of standard Attack) if he wins the previous battle in dragon form. To fix, you have to Dragon transform again, and then ‘Revert’.
  • Have you thought about the possibility of Ryu’s dragon transformation being a ‘new character’ with ‘separate HP/MP/CP’ stats  (as per BOFIII mechandics)? Currently, it is a sprite change, which I assume also offers a direct boost to wider ATK/MAG stats. Swaping to a new/separate character stat set (based on Ryu stats(+%) could result in a couple gameplay strategies:
    • A critical-condition Ryu might transform to a dragon as a sort of ‘second wind/desperation attack’. I remember BoFIII building around this, and it could be a strategic way to delay jumping into dragon form at the start of combat, wearing down boss encounter with Ranger skillset first, transforming when boss barrages become too much.
    •  Death in dragon form would trigger ‘Revert’ back to human, rather than death for Ryu. This would also parallel BOFIII mechanics.
    • Since Ryu is only half-dragon, what if ‘Revert’ sends him to critical-HP status? This would demonstate the taxing nature of the transformation, and perhaps there’s a cool down where he cannot immediately transform again. Helps to keep the Ranger skillset relevant throughout the game.
  • In response to the above, what if GUTS restored Ryu’s HP at critical, and charged the next transformation opportunity? This would be a key first-response following Revert, limit impacts on wider party MP/consummable item use, and slow down Dragon Spaming. Currently, dragon transformations are free, and I guess it adds more gravity/weight and strategy to Light/Dark transformation, compared to a low-MP cost, free use Dragon model of BOFI.
  • I previously suggested Ryu cannot use item/consumables in Dragon form. Maybe conventional healing does not work on Dragons and Ryu needs an inn (not camping) or special item (Ambrosia) to heal his dragon form - as was the case in BOFIV. This would also add importance/priority to any siphon abilities to heal as a Dark Dragon, and maybe ‘Wind Dragon’ abilities offers a REGEN for his Light Dragon path. It also presses us, the player, to invest skills in wider Dragon ability skill-set (backups/plan Bs) if their main option gets eliminated.
    • YUA: Perhaps Yua has a ability that only BUFFs/Heals a Dragon.
    • BOSCH: As a loyal Dog, perhaps hunter Bosch can toss a Dragon a bone (hunting spoils) for HP recovery? 
      •  this would add greater emphasis to hunting/fishing.
    • DEIS: Maybe Dies has some of that Endless energy to channel to Dragon Ryu’s HP pool?

·      Suddenly, these characters become important to Dragon-based Ryu builds, and work for a range of party compositions.

  • Tier 2 Dragon skill tree: Dragon Breaths (AOE) seem underpowered, compared to other character options. Fully boosted Fire Dragon, 2nd Tier transformation, for instance, is underwhelming compared to Ryu attacking with x3 strike & fire elemental.
    • I suppose that’s a consequence of my build? I avoided skill tree abilities that rose SPECIAL at the expense of melee ATTACK. If some of the trade-offs I mentioned above are integrated, there would be less need to have a zero-sum game build across Ryu’s Ranger vs Dragon skill trees. It would also help emphasis to the player that both Ranger and Dragon skills are required to build to manage the full range of combat situations.

 

BOSS FIGHTS:  Recommend that autosaves only trigger when entering new zones, not in advance of boss battles.

  • Kuwadora:
    • Autosaved with a sub-obtimal party pre-battle (Ryu, Aspara, Nina and Jean at 50% Health. Kuwardora’s opening move would determine the fight. Lots of do-overs for favourable RNG. Following, I HAD to apply Jean’s Flood spell to Debuff Kuwardora’s ATK, and then boost Ryu’s ATK/DEF with a cooked meal to survive his barrages (Ryu with WrymGuard Cover support move). Wearing Kuwadora down with Bleed and Inflammed/Poison was key (Ryu’s Shock Oil/Aspara’s Lore), and it was a battle of attrition, thanks to RNG & Consummables, rather than a balanced team effort.
    • Mobs leading up to him were fun/balanced, but the autosave pre-battle means I cannot enter menu and plan for boss fight appropriately after defeat (prior save was an hour before).
  • Taiga:
    • I like the paralyse move that you coded to Taiga to use on the party (save Ryu). Clever way to make it  ‘same same, but different’ to the original one-on-one encounter. That said, I think Taiga is too tough for a Level 25-30 Ryu. I had to fight off silence, heal, use GUTS, then bring him down via CHOPCHOP. Felt like I cheesed the fight via CHOPCHOP, otherwise this was a wall. Without AUTOSAVE, it would have been easier to plan a proper response (resisting SILENCE, Buffing DEF).
      • I this playthrough, I forgot to do the Tunlan quest, and so perhpas Taiga is a level check against all the optional character quests?
    • CHOPCHOP – once I discovered its use, I realised the skill is kind of broken. What if the damage formula was dmg = ATK, to-hit=100% ? Meaning, if Ryu had an attack stat of 80, that’s what it would do, full stop. What I currently think it does is offer defense piercing damage, with full advantage of all the other ATK boosts Ryu currently has (leading to +1,000 damage on hit).
      •  Situational advantages to ATK stat = dmg:
        • 100% accurate (good against high evasion), 100% DEF piecing (will always do dmg=ATK).
        • This would be great against unique encounters at that too fast, too high in PHYS/DEF, but lowHP. We’ve seen this in the series with the integration of BOFII MiniSentry, Inifinity Robots, Giant Island Fly,  BOFIII Eggman/Acorn enemies, or any high EVA/LowHP mage enemy.
  • Ganer: BUG - It would seem killing just two of the three magictek eyes is sufficient for releasing Ganer from captivity.

 

FUTURE STORY EXPANSION SUGGESTIONS: Making more of your large character roster, and expanding the world

PARTY SPLIT: If you integrate Yua, you’ve got a potential secondary party leader... someone with her own mission that needs support/watchful eye.

  • In the original game, you spent a good part of the late game trying to track Patty down across her various efforts to build funds for Cotland’s resistance. You also had to track her down to warn her about GATE.
  • Could there be a split party event/dungeons where the resistance has a bit of a laundry list of missions that are plot-time sensitive, requiring a split approach to meet the next objective?
    • If you’re playing SOLO Ryu, you could still centre it around a story split between brother and sister, whereby you might elect certain characters to accompany/escort Yua on a dangerous mission or heist.

The following are unsolicited half-baked ideas for either whole or split party quests:

  • Maybe one group has to visit and appeal to Guntz to join the resistance effort?
  •  Perhaps another group has to make contact with Prima, and discover that St Eva agents are part of the ongoing disruptions to the global trade network? (part of their effort to control flows of information).
  • What purpose does Bunyan taking over Coursair have in the story? Does he need help and is there an opportunity to go back into the arena? Maybe someone has defected/escaped from St Eva Church, has information that is required to inflirtate Evrai (code words), but is a bit of a broken soul and must be bested in arena combat.
  • I previously mentioned a archeological excavation of Wisdon, supporting Deis, to find an incantation thomb relating to bringing down a magical barrier or grounding/lifting a floating structure.

Latter game, pre-infinity stages:

  • Evrai: This dungeon is a good contender for expansion to make a longer gauntlet (since we don’t have Bando as a dungeon, prior). Perhaps a B-Squad joins Claris as part of a two-pronged infiltration of Evrai?
    • Ray: You’ve expanded his dialogue in his Evrai scene, but in doing so, his character seems a little less believeable. I wonder if there could be some expansion to his character and influence in the story?
      • Remembering Jade aided BOFI Ryu with advice on how to infiltrate Scande, what if Ray tries to help Ryu achieve the same, but it otherwise unable to escape his bondage/fate with Evrai?
      • What if Yua confronts him at the conclusion of B-squad quest. Maybe without Ryu to stand up to him with Kaiser, Ray’s power knocks out the party and Ryu’s squad now has a to rescue that whole team?
  • Crisis at Gate: Maybe the party needs to split in order to respond to the initial attack on the Dragon/Valerie by Father Hulk at Gate? These demons originally went for Bird, Mina, but what if they terrorised the Kingdoms across the land looking for Yua (who leaves party after rescue at Evrai)?  

These are just a couple of suggestions through which you can compel the player to try out different party compositions, expand story/lore opportunities, and have fun with the character mechanics you’ve built into them all. This would help avoid situations where people might instead of playing through the 2nd half of the game with one party, loaded up with all the best gear, like: Ryu-Nina-Lin-Rand. It also helps us to connect with Patty/Yua and make her feel like a fully realised character, as opposed to a plot device for Ryu’s characterization (as was in the original).

Perfect timing! I just finished up a majority of 4.0 fixes and upgrades. Going through the post now and fixing the bugs and checking out some of the suggestions. I greatly appreciate all your theory crafting and ideas, I got them saved as I am starting work on remastering BOF 1 soon and trying to work to tie these two games together in a cohesive piece!