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Oh you were talking about that version. You are right that ones discription is a little bit off. I adjusted that now as well and also nerfed all inherted skills a little bit and changed "Dodge All" to "Dodge Rate Up" for the inherted versions. They are all now somewhat weaker, thanks for the feedback on those. So human form shouldnt be too overpowered now.

I will change that one to inflict Cant Heal for 1 turn on the character that uses it. This should nerf it a good amount. Will test that out and see how it goes.

I see. So you didnt got jumpscared by them.

Yes, together with Fuwa's they are the rarest enemy currently in the demo. Gold slimes gives tons of exp and materials but mainly only can be found at night with field ability of the wolf form that makes rare enemies spawning at night. They also have a very low chance to spawn in the sewers i think as well.

Thats gkood to hear. A lot of people had problems finding the bough forest home so it seems you had no problem with it. Did you use the hint system for other things besides the golden retriever?

I see, now that combo should be nerfed and not possible anymore. I also sligthly reduced the robots atk stat by a few points. And reduced the chance to encounter groups in some tf areas.

The key is hidden in the eastern part of town, just was curious if you managed to find it. I have hidden some things very obscure that are not needed to beat the demo and also have no hints on how to find.

Thats good to hear. I beaten that demo so many times that there shouldt hopefully be many big or game breaking bugs left. Besides spelling mistakes.

Yeah i also got that feedback for the cat form before. It has not much time to shine. Maybe adding somestronger enemy variants with more hp. Yeah bad endings are missing for most forms. I didnt knew if people would be interessted in them so i only included 5. I certainly would like to include more if there is interessed in them. If you have some ideas to maybe make slime form better or more interssting to play, i gladly take suggestions! Also yeah aquatic tf story and areas are what i am currently working on, which will be focusing on underwater exploration.

You mean adding a sentence telling you about crafting when talking to her? I certainly can do that! It certainly dosent hurt to add a hint! Also 20h is quite some time!

Oh yeah that reminds me, did you use the half or full support feature?

Thanks a lot for the feedback^^

Also if i have missed to response to something just say.

MightBeKevin336 days ago(+1)

I also used the hints for the Kitsune-tf (likely easier to find when there is a reason to go exploring after meeting the elf. Maybe have him dispel a force-field in a main-story event as a hint)
and the cat-tf (as I mentioned I didn't really sleep so this would've been hard to find, my fault through)
As you might be able to imagine I explored the map quite thoroughly in my 20+ hours. (I think i spent around 29 hour on the first play-through, more considering the game doesn't count reloads to that time) so I found a lot of the areas easily enough.

Since you mentioned the forest home, I actually went right to it after getting the key. I found the door during the tutorial and figured that'd be the only place to use a key in the forest.

As for the support feature, I didn't use it at all.
In my opinion most of the time it is actually a bad idea to use all skills at once.
For example: In human form you have 2 abilities that grant you "dodge all" for 1 turn. Since the system would use both in the first turn you'd waste 1 turn of invincibility. Same for the mouse form where you can delay casting defensive abilities by 1 turn if you use "dodge all" as your first move.
Altogether it just seemed to waste valuable resources (after all 1 turn of invincibility is worth a lot if some of the enemies can one-shot you)

I also remembered one detail that might be a bug:
If I recall correctly Serina reacted differently depending on how you bypassed the puzzles in the first dungeon, however I don't think she commented on rolling the boulders (I did it in human form), instead commenting on the digging ability.
Might just be me having done something wrong through.
Anyway, nice detail.

Whilst starting the game again (to get names right and see what hints I used) I actually found some other stuff:
The description of the "Hand Pistol" is "Effect:"
And whilst the "wooden dagger" has a description bow, axe, spear and sword do not

When exiting the secret shop in the north it displays the area as daytime. Going to another area switches back to the correct time (night time)

I also remembered there is a magic-system for the human form.
I think weakening the inherited skills will have the the positive effect on making it more relevant.
Whilst it doesn't seem to end the turn it easily got overshadowed by the much stronger inherited skills.

If any other questions arise feel free to ask, I'm happy to help in any way I can.
As for me, I'll start figuring out how to break the game some more. (probably later this week)

Furandre335 days ago

That is a good point, I now added a one new sentence where he will mention sensing some powerful magic in the western plains. And the witch mentioning potion crafting.

I see, it's also not in the demo but I actually added a picture of the location, that gets shown, once its bought to make it even easier. But great to hear that you had no problem with it. You may actually be the first taht found it with no problems from what I heard so far.
And yeah that is very thoroughly!

I absolutely agree with that, its more useful for either short fight or when playing on easy or normal. It certainly wastes some buffs and debuffs that could be played a lot smarter manually. I personally don't use it either but there was a high demand for it since most played not on hard I assume.

Nah you didn't do anything wrong, I didn't add some extra dialogue there because on how the boulders worked. I changed that now as well, now she is commenting on that as well. Thanks for reminding me!

Probaly have forgotten about it, now all wooden weapons have a description and Hand Pistol got an effect as well.
And you're right, seems like I forgot to set a check for lighting in the northern part of town, that is fixed now as well, thanks for finding!

Yeah Human and Kitsune Form can used learned magic.
That is right, with the inherited skills greatly weakend the magic system definitely has more chances to shine! That's one positive side effect^^

Thanks, I will!
And thanks for the feedback!
Also good luck with that xD

One morequestion I can think of right now is:
How balanced would you rate the bossfights?

MightBeKevin335 days ago(+1)

I think most of the fights were alright.
The boss-fight for the rabbit quest was defeated easily enough (I think around 5 turns, without acquiring enough points for the ultimate)
Whilst this was done on NG+ with 400% XP it wasn't much more difficult on my first run.
I also didn't have to use the water-ability. (or better: the bosfight would likely have lasted longer if I did)
The Fairy-Boss was rather difficult, through likely because I mostly ran into larger groups which made leveling up hard.
This should get easier with the change in encounter size you mentioned through, so I can't really say how bad will be with those changes implemented.
As for the Manticore Boss, it should definitely be doable with decreased group sizes, as long as you're able to get past the robots of course.
The Slime boss was a little bit difficult. Nothing a few more levels shouldn't have helped with but I defeated the ones reachable before getting the tf. I'll test defeating it with a bit more xp on my NG+ and see how that works out. Depending on the result I'd recommend adding a few more enemies (for this region I don't think reducing group sizes is necessary since the encounters weren't that hard)
I can't say anything about the demon boss (after which Serina joined the party) so it was probably not that much of a challenge.
However, the most problems I had were with the swarm of enemies once you try leaving the forest.
(I know very well you're not supposed to beat them)
It took me level 60 and quite some luck to get through them alive.
The wave defence (Kitsune TF) however was quite easy if I remember correctly, through that was due to having teammates with me.

I think the most important takeaway from my experience with the bosses is that they are disproportionately easier if you bring teammates.

In summary I can't say that much about the Fairy and Manticore fights since those will likely get a lot more manageable with a smaller chance to get attacked by larger groups.
The slime fight should be alright, through I'd prefer some more enemies to get XP before the fight
And lastly the swarm at the end of the tutorial hits like a truck. It's quite hard to survive a few rounds (probably as intended)

Finally, as I read through the skills today I rediscovered the "Fourth Tail". I probably didn't use it (not even once) since 90% of MaxHP is quite a steep price to dodge an attack that is usually cast at the half point mark of the battle (Through I didn't really have any problems with boss-ultimates anyway, especially for bosses one can bring a teammate).

If other questions arise or you want me to test something I'd be happy to offer my assistance once again.
Also let me know if I forgot some bossfights (not counting the demons for form-improvement, they were rather trivial if one brought teammates)

Furandre335 days ago (1 edit)

I could certainly just increases the HP of bosses, if they just hit strong enough, letting them have more hp makes it a bit more challenging and some buffs and form would have more time to shine.
I also could increase the hp only on hard difficulty.
What do you think?

The fairy boss certainly is the hardest in the game. Even more so then you play on ahrd since she can use some unfair skills then.
And that I easly can do, i will add a few more encounters in the sewers.
I am not 100% sure but i think saving the game and relaoding the save or quitting may respawn enemies as well but I could be wrong, never tried that out. But I also now added more enemies in there so there is more to grind on.
I also agree team mates help a lot. Original I intended to have four members take part in battle but reduced it to three for balancing reasons. It felt better.

And yes I reduced the chances to encounter larger groups by 10 to 20% in most areas where a tf story takes place, wit the excpetion of the beginning forest, restaurant and sewers. It should make a difference.

Yup that is fully intended to be "unbeatable", beating it will not change much beside on extra line of text I think.

I made that skill so expensive since it can dodge ultimates which the normal "Dodge All" effect cannot do. So i thought it needed to be expensive. I could lower it to 80% if you think its still too much.

Thanks, i will!
Your feedback already was a big help to make the game better^^
I don't think there is much to test left in the public demo.
And you didn't forgot any bosses.
Well the rabbit counts more like a half boss imo since it isn't that strong.

Edit: Actually I just remembered you forgotten the golem boss.

MightBeKevin335 days ago(+1)

I think most of the bosses are already strong enough, at least in the current version.
You said rabbit counts more as a half-boss, so there shouldn't be any problem with it being on the weaker side.
I'll take another look at the demon once I'm back at that point of the story.

As for the "fourth tail" I'm not quite sure what to do either, through I'd assume you'll just die to the next normal attack if you use it (if you don't have any healing items at least)
However I think a bigger problem is that most people won't be able to use it at all, since at the halfway-point of the battle most won't have 90% of HP left (and usually cant heal that much after the ultimate indicator is already shown).
Furthermore, if one still has over 90% of HP left at the 50% mark I doubt they'll need the ability that much.
It is also quite inferior to the "first tail", which only uses 50% and revives one instead (which is a lot better if the boss only hits once)

All in all it is a lot harder to activate than another skill which can save one from more (meaning not only ultimate) attacks (and the effect of "first tail" persists if one were to survive the attack) and leaves one very defenceless if one doesn't bring some good healing potions. (
I think the key-problem is that the skill is very hard to use since you have to get to 90+% of HP before triggering the ultimate so you can use the skill.
Maybe replace the dodge with strong defence and require an amount of currentHP% to lower the requirements to use the skill during combat.

Also I tried Salamander again and think it could use a single-target attack that doesn't consume "ignition" stacks.
All its attack skills (except "Tail Whip" and the basic attack action) use at least 2 stacks which can make it a little bit annoying to gather stacks for "Multi Fire Shoot" (Might be a typo, through shoot is a noun that can refer to an occasion when a group of people hunt and shoot game for sport)

Another thing, through I think there isn't much that can be done in rpg-maker, is that one can't attack a mimic again after fleeing from it (which one might want to do for the ones where no sign is provided).

I'll certainly test the changes and leave another comment once I get my hands on a version where they are implemented.
Naturally I'll also comment on other things I deem noteworthy (exploits and abilities where you usually have better option to choose from)
If there is any other way to help you with the game I'd be happy to assist.

Furandre335 days ago (3 edits)

I see, that is good to hear!
I do play with the idea off adding an higher difficult later that can only be unlock on ng+ but that currently is just a concept idea for later.

Yeah those are soem good points, it's too risky too use and gives to less of a reward.
Another idea "fourth tail" other solution would be instead of costing life it could cost the ultima bar instead and inflict maybe can't heal or something on the caster and has a long cooldown.
I also am open for other ideas!

Yeah makes sense, I certainly could add one such skillin the dojo that can be learned, I was planning to add some more leanarble skills for all other forms anyway, just hadn't givien it a high priority.
It's a typo, english isn't my native language, I will fix that as well, thanks!

This skill now can be learned at the dojo as well.
Salamander Sign: "Offensive Defense"
Strong 2-hit fire damage to one foe.
Increases Casters defense buffs by one level.

You are right that isn't possible by default but I think I can write some script that makes it possible. I just am undecided if I wanted the mimic to stay or disappear when fleeing so I never did that. I felt the mimic fleeing gices some more high risk highr eward feeling.
Maybe I make it stay there only on easy and normal and leave it the same for hard.
Souds like a good compromise, what do you think?

Sure, I sadly can't say when or how a new version will come out. I still haven't decided how I will continue with the game.
-I am torn between a few option, like making it free and releasing new content updates when they are ready and accepting donation to cover development cost.
-Or not release any new version until I finished the game and then sell it for 5 to 10 dollars.
-Or maybe do a patreon and all that plead there can play newer version like some kind of early access.
Updating the demo just with the new quality of life changes is also dificult since people can just datamine the game and spoil all the surprises and new content for themself or others.

Sure, I always happy about feeback and suggestions!
Thanks^^
Sadly I think there isn't much besides testing that cna really help me but I appreciate the offer : )
Also i would liek to include your name in the credits i you don't mind.
Just tell me which name you would prefer.

powersnake335 days ago(+1)

i think that the donation or patreon idea would be the best choise because with these two idea we could continue to give help with the new content and share some bug or thing that would need some balancing that we would find. while with the option to sell the game we won't be able to send feedback on thing that would need to be balanced or some bug that we find while playing

Furandre335 days ago

That certainly is a solid point, i could still patch a finsihed game but obviously it's much more eficient to fix and find bugs way earlier.
I just never felt comfortable with accepting money for an unfishied product. Just dosen't feel right.
I am well aware that its unlikely but if I would die in some kind accident before the game is finished I would never be ablee to finish it and all who payed for early access or donated would never get a full game.
It certainly is overthinking but something I am still worried about^^"
But I agree with you, I am a bigger fan of the other two options as well since it can influence the game way more and could make it a more fun and refined game in the end!

MightBeKevin335 days ago (1 edit) (+1)

Don't worry, I already suspected English might not be your first language. It isn't mine either.
However, you might want to change the conversation with the king (Kitsune tf) from saying "carmine" to "chimney".
(I actually had to look that one up because I thought carmine was just a fancy word for it [like the German word Kamin or the Italian version])
carmine refers to a red pigment.

As for the mimics I'm not really sure either since I neither have a way to tell what they drop, nor know what to use these resources for.

For release schedule I'm sad to tell you that my answer is naturally biased and likely won't help you much XD

However I think RPG-Maker MV is git-compatible (git is a version control system, works best if the files are stored as plaintext [json (the maps are saved as json), js (plugins are saved as js] ), which would make it rather easy to make another branch and remove unused Maps and variables for beta-releases (and also to revert changes if you don't like them)

If you were to open a Patreon or something similar I'm sure you were able to gather some funds for the game and granting them access to the new version before non-backers is a system a lot of people use.
Periodically releasing version is also great way to receive some player feedback.
Through in the end you have to choose whatever suits you best.

If you want to try git and need help I'd be happy to assist (through it might be less easy to understand in a itch-comment)
I can also try myself at some JavaScript, through I'm more used to other languages.

Good luck with your plans.

Edit:
I'd be fine just being listed as "Kevin"
Thank you a lot for including me in the credits.

Furandre335 days ago (1 edit)

Oh is see, thanks, will fix that as well^^
For some reason i thougth that as well^^"

A lot of the more rare resources have not much use in the demo, except for selling. Later they are used for either quests or crafting.
I did implement taht feture now for easy and normal for a tests.

Yes that is right, I aren't really knowledgable with that but I know what you are getting at.
The problem is that a lot of the maps in the demo also got reworked and have new stuff as well, if it were just new maps that wouldn't be too much off a problem.
And spending just a lot of time to exclude everything and make sure the next update really just has the few but nice quality changes we talked about that i made is probaly a lot of time I instead should put in working on the game.
I most likly instead do the patreon early access way, since I can relase tehre the current buils without having to worry about making sure to exclude new content.
I just never felt comfortable with accepting money for an unfishied product. Just dosen't feel right.
I am well aware that its unlikely but if I would die in some kind accident before the game is finished I would never be ablee to finish it and all who payed for early access or donated would never get a full game. It certainly is overthinking but something I am still worried about^^"

But periodically releasing a new version is a great way to receive some player feedback and give supporters something back. I personaly think this is teh ebst approach as well^^

And thanks for the offer!
Currently I don't think i have the time to learn git but I will come back to it if I ever need it!

Sure then I will do that!

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